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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
I'm trying to control the chickweed that sprouts up in my fescue lawn
every winter (Atlanta) without resorting to synthetic poisons. I am unable to keep up with it just by pulling it up. Several years ago the University of Iowa came up with research that showed that corn gluten inhibited weed seed germination (specifically, seedling root formation). Several products have now been brought to market: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~isurf...gmwebsite.html I tried one of these (Fertrell Weedban) about 3-4 years ago. It came in a 5-gallon bucket and was a yellow powder, like flour. Being in this powdery form made it very difficult to spread -- it might be spreadable with a drop spreader, but in the hand-spinning thing that I use, it just made a cloud that blew away. I have a very small lot (and limited storage) and don't want to buy/use/store a drop spreader -- assuming that would even work. I figure that by now certainly someone has solved this problem and come out with a pelletized version of the same product. Does anyone know if pelletized corn gluten exists now for weed control purposes? Thanks! - Chris |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
Does anyone know if pelletized corn gluten exists now for weed
control purposes? It certainly does. I use a brand called "Weed Prevention Plus", made by Concern. It's granular and is applied easily with a hand spreader. You can get it online at http://www.victorpest.com/lawncare/weedprevention.htm Best o' luck in your war of the weeds. -Fleemo |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
Does anyone know if pelletized corn gluten exists now for weed
control purposes? It certainly does. I use a brand called "Weed Prevention Plus", made by Concern. It's granular and is applied easily with a hand spreader. You can get it online at http://www.victorpest.com/lawncare/weedprevention.htm Best o' luck in your war of the weeds. -Fleemo |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
Does anyone know if pelletized corn gluten exists now for weed
control purposes? It certainly does. I use a brand called "Weed Prevention Plus", made by Concern. It's granular and is applied easily with a hand spreader. You can get it online at http://www.victorpest.com/lawncare/weedprevention.htm Thanks! I went ahead and checked through that whole list of licensees, and determined that the following products are pelletized / granulated (or their web site sucked). * http://www.alternativeearthproducts....shieldplus.htm * http://www.gardensalive.com/item_dis...er=8873&HOME=1 * http://www.victorpest.com/lawncare/weedprevention.htm * http://americanatural.com/corglutweedc.html |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
Where can I find the trials info for corn gluten effectiveness?
Dennis Well, you can start with my non-scientific conclusions about Wow! Plus (a product by Gardens Alive). Big waste of money. I've dropped close to 1,000 dollars on this product (over a period of one year) and it is virtually useless. No matter how much is applied it has no effect whatsoever. Buyer beware. -- Hany Visit Kiambu, Nina, and Kasha's World http://home.earthlink.net/~rooke8/ridgebacks |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 03:19:05 GMT, (Dennis G.) wrote:
Where can I find the trials info for corn gluten effectiveness? Dennis http://www.gluten.iastate.edu/ |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
Not at all. Glad you asked.
I applied it, last spring, to my 3/4 acre yard. Used my Scott's spreader set to 17 (which is 20 lbs. per 100 ft). It was applied about 6 or 7 days before the dandelions surfaced. I figured I had missed the window of opportunity for spring results, but that the fall might be a little better than the previous year. The fall was no good at all. Dandelions, crabgrass, thistle, etc. I didn't apply it again in the fall and just held on to what remained to use it again this spring. Applied it (using the same setting on the spreader) last Tuesday, which is LONG before the grass (or anything else) surfaced. (I live in the Chicago area, just so you get a sense for what the climate is like). It rained really generously on a few occasions, but I noticed that the fround, despite not being anywhere near frozen, is npt absorbing the WOW Plus. In other words, it's just sitting on the surface, as opposed to being broken down by the water and being absorbed into the ground. The people at Gardens Alive will wash their hands of responsibility by telling you that this stuff needs to be applied spring and fall, for three years for a 90% reduction in weeds. At nearly 50 dollars a bag and 3/4 of an acre, I'm reluctant. If my hunch plays out, the stuff I threw down last week will have no effect and I'll have ended my relationship with the people at Gardens Alive. Not impressed. And I don't accept the garbage premise that I need to spend 500 dollars, twice a year, for three years just to see if it's going to work. On to the next product. Anyone know of anything more effective (and natural)? -- Hany Visit Kiambu, Nina, and Kasha's World http://home.earthlink.net/~rooke8/ridgebacks "animaux" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:52:42 GMT, "Hany Hosny" wrote: Where can I find the trials info for corn gluten effectiveness? Dennis Well, you can start with my non-scientific conclusions about Wow! Plus (a product by Gardens Alive). Big waste of money. I've dropped close to 1,000 dollars on this product (over a period of one year) and it is virtually useless. No matter how much is applied it has no effect whatsoever. Buyer beware. -- Hany Visit Kiambu, Nina, and Kasha's World http://home.earthlink.net/~rooke8/ridgebacks On what did you use the product, at what rate and within what window of time did you apply it? I'm curious not to disparage you, but to find out why you did not get good results. |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
Okay, a problem may occur due to the rains. This product does not work the way other
herbicides work. It is much more effective if it stays dry. There is a lot of information about how it works, its patents, and how to use it on this website: http://www.gluten.iastate.edu/ I'm assuming you know this is a pre-emergent. It is a host to a fungus which renders the seeds non-viable. It can take up to 3 years to work at the maximum effect, but I am not sure where you read it takes 20 pounds per 100 square feet. I will look it up myself and see what it says to do and how to use it. Corn gluten meal also has a 10% nitrogen factor, which also helps turf green up, but studies indicate this effect is useless at the time you would need to put the stuff out. In Texas, our window of opportunity is as soon as you see daffodil foliage till maybe a month later. When the rains come in spring, the efficacy is lower, but the product has already done what it needs to do in order for seeds not to germinate. It's also a process of eliminating whole weeds before they go to seed. This is one of the only organic tools we have as a pre-emergent. You can also use 20% vinegar and orange oil as a contact herbicide. Take a look at weed control on www.dirtdoctor.com I do not agree with the entire website, or Garret's methods in total. Sometimes I think he's a big windbag, myself...nuff said about that relationship! I don't use any of these products, but I do keep my turf at 4 inches, mow weeds before they set seed and hand pull perennial weeds or use the Weed Popper, which is very effective and not too hard on the back. Victoria On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:40:17 GMT, "Hany Hosny" wrote: Not at all. Glad you asked. I applied it, last spring, to my 3/4 acre yard. Used my Scott's spreader set to 17 (which is 20 lbs. per 100 ft). It was applied about 6 or 7 days before the dandelions surfaced. I figured I had missed the window of opportunity for spring results, but that the fall might be a little better than the previous year. The fall was no good at all. Dandelions, crabgrass, thistle, etc. I didn't apply it again in the fall and just held on to what remained to use it again this spring. Applied it (using the same setting on the spreader) last Tuesday, which is LONG before the grass (or anything else) surfaced. (I live in the Chicago area, just so you get a sense for what the climate is like). It rained really generously on a few occasions, but I noticed that the fround, despite not being anywhere near frozen, is npt absorbing the WOW Plus. In other words, it's just sitting on the surface, as opposed to being broken down by the water and being absorbed into the ground. The people at Gardens Alive will wash their hands of responsibility by telling you that this stuff needs to be applied spring and fall, for three years for a 90% reduction in weeds. At nearly 50 dollars a bag and 3/4 of an acre, I'm reluctant. If my hunch plays out, the stuff I threw down last week will have no effect and I'll have ended my relationship with the people at Gardens Alive. Not impressed. And I don't accept the garbage premise that I need to spend 500 dollars, twice a year, for three years just to see if it's going to work. On to the next product. Anyone know of anything more effective (and natural)? -- Hany Visit Kiambu, Nina, and Kasha's World http://home.earthlink.net/~rooke8/ridgebacks "animaux" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:52:42 GMT, "Hany Hosny" wrote: Where can I find the trials info for corn gluten effectiveness? Dennis Well, you can start with my non-scientific conclusions about Wow! Plus (a product by Gardens Alive). Big waste of money. I've dropped close to 1,000 dollars on this product (over a period of one year) and it is virtually useless. No matter how much is applied it has no effect whatsoever. Buyer beware. -- Hany Visit Kiambu, Nina, and Kasha's World http://home.earthlink.net/~rooke8/ridgebacks On what did you use the product, at what rate and within what window of time did you apply it? I'm curious not to disparage you, but to find out why you did not get good results. |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
Hany Hosny writes
Where can I find the trials info for corn gluten effectiveness? Dennis Well, you can start with my non-scientific conclusions about Wow! Plus (a product by Gardens Alive). Big waste of money. I've dropped close to 1,000 dollars on this product (over a period of one year) and it is virtually useless. No matter how much is applied it has no effect whatsoever. Buyer beware. It *ought* to have the effect of increasing both weed and crop growth since it is high in nitrogen. Hard to see how it would work as a weedkiller though. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
"Oz" wrote in message ... Hany Hosny writes Where can I find the trials info for corn gluten effectiveness? Dennis Well, you can start with my non-scientific conclusions about Wow! Plus (a product by Gardens Alive). Big waste of money. I've dropped close to 1,000 dollars on this product (over a period of one year) and it is virtually useless. No matter how much is applied it has no effect whatsoever. Buyer beware. It *ought* to have the effect of increasing both weed and crop growth since it is high in nitrogen. Hard to see how it would work as a weedkiller though. at 2kg a day it is a good cattle feed. Normally in the region of £90 per tonne if you buy it forward at the right time of year. -- Jim Webster I believe that this thought has been enunciated before. A surly critic might even use the word "banality". |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:22:35 +0000, Oz wrote:
It *ought* to have the effect of increasing both weed and crop growth since it is high in nitrogen. Hard to see how it would work as a weedkiller though. Then you don't know the research and how to use it. It's very effective as a pre-emergent weed control tool. The poster said he uses 20 lbs per 100 sq.ft. The directions are to use 2 pounds per 100 sq.ft. The reason many people don't have good results using any of the many organic method products is they do not use it properly. Either "more is good" or "I paid too much" or any number of things. |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
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wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 03:19:05 GMT, (Dennis G.) wrote: Where can I find the trials info for corn gluten effectiveness? http://www.gluten.iastate.edu/ Or, more precisely: http://www.iastate.edu/IaStater/1996/may/tech.html which page turned up in the first 10 presented by Google when I search for "corn gluten weed killer", so it wasn't hard to find. It's a bit of PR blurb, but I see it's seven years old. So "A-Maizing Lawn" has been around a while! It is claimed to inhibit root growth in germinating grasses but does not affect established turf. As to effectiveness, in one paragraph they say (bearing in mind we're talking back in 1996 here): quoting The future looks rosy for the corn gluten meal weed killer. It's the only natural pre-emergent herbicide in the turfgrass industry. In addition, corn gluten meal contains nitrogen and acts as a fertilizer for mature grass. On the other hand, A-Maizing Lawn costs more than common synthetic herbicides and doesn't work as well. Research indicates that after three years of use, up to 80 percent of the weeds are controlled, compared to synthetic herbicides that kill nearly all weeds. /quoting Iowa State also has a whole web page devoted to the product, with a raft of links to published docs etc. (mostly bloody PDF files though): http://www.gluten.iastate.edu/ Cheers, Phred. -- LID |
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corn gluten weed killer in pellet form?
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:00:35 GMT, (Phred) wrote:
Or, more precisely: http://www.iastate.edu/IaStater/1996/may/tech.html which page turned up in the first 10 presented by Google when I search for "corn gluten weed killer", so it wasn't hard to find. It's a bit of PR blurb, but I see it's seven years old. So "A-Maizing Lawn" has been around a while! It is claimed to inhibit root growth in germinating grasses but does not affect established turf. As to effectiveness, in one paragraph they say (bearing in mind we're talking back in 1996 here): quoting The future looks rosy for the corn gluten meal weed killer. It's the only natural pre-emergent herbicide in the turfgrass industry. In addition, corn gluten meal contains nitrogen and acts as a fertilizer for mature grass. On the other hand, A-Maizing Lawn costs more than common synthetic herbicides and doesn't work as well. Research indicates that after three years of use, up to 80 percent of the weeds are controlled, compared to synthetic herbicides that kill nearly all weeds. /quoting Iowa State also has a whole web page devoted to the product, with a raft of links to published docs etc. (mostly bloody PDF files though): http://www.gluten.iastate.edu/ Cheers, Phred. Well, organic gardeners who would use corn gluten meal are also accepting of a weed here or there. Speaking for myself, I don't freak out and pop a cork if a weed is growing in the lawn. I control weeds by arduously hard work. I actually "garden." I think with all the chemicals and fast works, we are getting fat and lazy, as gardeners. |
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