The moss balls, Cladphora never died nor even looked in poor health, I
did this , so if this is true Richard, why did not my Balls die?

I have two of them in one of the test tanks. They grow quite well.

So please explain why they did not die in my tank?
This is the same thing with PO4 excess = algae.

Other factors are at play here, it is naive to assume otherwise.

Regards,
Tom Barr

So adding CO2 would do the same thing if you provided a stable way to
give Carbon to the tank's plants, and algae......

Algae likes carbon as well, they prefer CO2 as well.

Regards,
Tom Barr

And when I've gone back and tested them on a controlled tank, they did
not have those effects.........
I've got algae killing and plant growing experience and ability to
tease apart the real causes.

Whgy did my Caldophora not die if, as Greg has said off record, it's an
algicide?
That implies it kills all algae.
Clearly it does not and I have no issue making these statements,
because I know I'm right about this side of the issue.

I have not stated what it is, but I have stated what it is NOT.
I can simply do a water change/pruning and the same thing can occur.
So is a water change or a pruning an algicide?
Is _not neglecting a tank_ an algicide?

There is no control with any thing folks have done on the APD/Here/APC
etc, or elsewhere I am aware of, when I did it with a control, it did
not occur. Nada. My control allows for stable conditions to occur and
good growth of the algae in question.

If that's not done, you really cannot say much.

Regards,
Tom Barr

wrote:
So adding CO2 would do the same thing if you provided a stable way to
give Carbon to the tank's plants, and algae......

Algae likes carbon as well, they prefer CO2 as well.

Regards,
Tom Barr

Tom,
Thats why I use Excel, because Of the many many tanks I have that are
not quite big enough for a C02 system. I read about the hassle and cost
of the carbo block system, and I opted for the Excel.

I use excel for the organtic carbon source and enjoyed the nice side
effect of no algae.

Kay

Is Excel safe for invertebrates, snails to be specific?

Yes.

Copepods, paramecium, several species of shrimp and ramshorn
snails here don't mind it a bit.

(That's just cause they don't know it hurts algae. If they
did they might be annoyed.)


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wrote:
And when I've gone back and tested them on a controlled tank, they did
not have those effects.........
I've got algae killing and plant growing experience and ability to
tease apart the real causes.

Whgy did my Caldophora not die if, as Greg has said off record, it's an
algicide?
That implies it kills all algae.
Clearly it does not and I have no issue making these statements,
because I know I'm right about this side of the issue.

I have not stated what it is, but I have stated what it is NOT.
I can simply do a water change/pruning and the same thing can occur.
So is a water change or a pruning an algicide?
Is _not neglecting a tank_ an algicide?

There is no control with any thing folks have done on the APD/Here/APC
etc, or elsewhere I am aware of, when I did it with a control, it did
not occur. Nada. My control allows for stable conditions to occur and
good growth of the algae in question.

If that's not done, you really cannot say much.

Regards,
Tom Barr

Thinking aloud since I'm surprised by how little algae is in my Excel
tanks...

You said that there was CO2 in both of your tanks. I suspect many of us
are seeing "algicidal" activity in non-CO2 injected, Excel treated
tanks. Your experiment does not rule out the possiblilty that algae
cannot use the carbon from Excel as well as plants because there is
adequate carbon in both tanks. If algae cannot use Excel, then in
tanks like mine they are growing on only atmospheric C02 while the
plants have considerably more carbon available. That means the plants
should outcompete the algae.

How do your cladophora balls grow in low CO2 with Excel as the main
carbon source?

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wrote in message
oups.com...
And when I've gone back and tested them on a controlled tank, they did
not have those effects.........
I've got algae killing and plant growing experience and ability to
tease apart the real causes.

Whgy did my Caldophora not die if, as Greg has said off record, it's an
algicide?
That implies it kills all algae.
Clearly it does not and I have no issue making these statements,
because I know I'm right about this side of the issue.

I have not stated what it is, but I have stated what it is NOT.
I can simply do a water change/pruning and the same thing can occur.
So is a water change or a pruning an algicide?
Is _not neglecting a tank_ an algicide?

There is no control with any thing folks have done on the APD/Here/APC
etc, or elsewhere I am aware of, when I did it with a control, it did
not occur. Nada. My control allows for stable conditions to occur and
good growth of the algae in question.

If that's not done, you really cannot say much.

Regards,
Tom Barr



I couldn't agree more ;o)

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One of the sets of tanks are non CO2.
Same effect.

These tanks have had Claphora growing in them as well as BBA for about
3 months now.
I've tried dosing 2x the rec initial amount daily for a week, 2 weeks
and have not seen any impact.

If you add Excel to a non CO2 tank, that dramatic selects for the
plants.......... same as adding CO2:-) and at lower light that is
typical with non CO2 tanks...that's enough to supply the growth rate
for the plants.

So you have a couple of issues happening in non CO2 tanks.

Regards,
Tom Barr

wrote:
One of the sets of tanks are non CO2.
Same effect.

These tanks have had Claphora growing in them as well as BBA for about
3 months now.
I've tried dosing 2x the rec initial amount daily for a week, 2 weeks
and have not seen any impact.

If you add Excel to a non CO2 tank, that dramatic selects for the
plants.......... same as adding CO2:-) and at lower light that is
typical with non CO2 tanks...that's enough to supply the growth rate
for the plants.

So you have a couple of issues happening in non CO2 tanks.

Regards,
Tom Barr

Thanks for the info! I love good control data.

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It seems the poster who reported that Seachem Excel works as an
algaecide on top of being a source of organic carbon was right!
I had a lot of hair algae in my 110g heavily planted tank. So much that
the outflow of my eheim filter had to be scrubbed and cleaned at least
once every two weeks. Algae grew very fast and was very happy.
I started dosing Excel daily for a week or so, then forgot about it.
Four weeks later (or so), almost all the algae is gone. I'll be sure to
order another large bottle of Excel to continue dosing as a preventative.
It works!

I really do not think it's an algaecide per se, but rather, it is bringing the
tank into a balance where the plants can out compete the algae.

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