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Experience with SeaChem Acid Buffer & Alkaline Buffer
Does anyone have experience with SeaChem Acid Buffer and Alkaline Buffer?
I know this goes against the established wisdom in this hobby, but I maintain my swimming pool water chemistry using chemical additives (ph, kH, gH, and sanitizer). Why is it difficult to achieve a stable chemistry in a FW tank with additives as well? So, I went ahead and purchased a 300g bottle of Seachem Acid Buffer (came up to $16 with taxes). I then filled up a 22L bucket with tap water (kH=2, gH=3, pH=8.0), added the conditioner and a tiny amount (1.0 gram) of Acid Buffer. I could measure this exact amount using a laboratory grade electronic scale I have. With this, the pH dropped to less than 6.0 and the kH to about 1 dkH. I threw in a heater and let the water sit in the bucket till the next morning then measured the pH and kH. The pH was at 7.4 and hK at about 1.0-1.5 dkH. In the evening that day, I started over again with fresh tab water (warm water this time). I then threw in (same old 22L bucket) a 50W heater and maxijet 1200. I figured this should speed up equilibrium by vigorous mixing and aeration that gets rid of the CO2 produced by the addition of Seachem Acid Buffer. Subsequently, I added baking soda very gradually until the kH reached 6 dkH. I figured this is high enough buffer to stabilize the pH, right? Only then did I add the Acid Buffer - a lot more this time - to bring the pH to 6.0. I let the bucket mix for 10 minutes, then measured the parameters again: kH = 5.5 dkH, pH = 7.0! I thought to myself, ok, this is a dynamic reaction and will require time to stabilize. So I added more Acid Buffer to bring the pH back down to 6.0, and let the power head and heater running overnight. When I tested the water in the morning the pH was 7.6 and the kH = 3.5! That same evening, I started over again. This time I did not use baking soda, but an AlkalinityUp product I used for my swimming pool. Luckily with this stuff, I could calculate the exact dose needed to set the kH to the desired level - no trial and error necessary. I set the kH to 4.5, and added enough Acid Buffer using a 1:1.3 ration as recommended on the bottle to produce a pH in the range of 6.5 as per charts on the bottle. Next morning, the pH was 7.6, kH was 3 dkH! What did I miss?! I figured that when adjusting the pool waters, we usually have to adjust all three parameters, pH, kH and gH. So I dug up the old bucket of CaCO3 Up and read the label. As it turns out, we aim for and gH of 200-300 ppm (11-16 dH) in the pool. This is too high for my purposes since I would like to keep soft water species. I figured, I should try a 6 dH instead. I dosed for 6 dkH, 6dH, and a pH of 6.0. Within 15 minutes, the pH was back up to 7.2! Arghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Reading the label on Seachem's Acid Buffer bottle, it says that the product lowers the pH and produces CO2. Hmmmm, is this * HOW * it reduces the pH? Is aeration driving the CO2 out thus causing the pH increase? I don't know. But the label says that the product should be used in conjunction with Alkalinity Buffer to produce the desired (stable) pH. But it mumbles something about adding it directly to the tank for best results . I DON'T THINK SO !! At least not until I get stable water parameters in a bucket for a couple of days. At this stage, I am very skeptical about Seachem claims regarding the combined use of Acid Buffer / Alkalinity Buffer. The best way to verify, obviously, would be spend another $20 and try it. But again, the company's literature mumbles about having to "trial and error" the correct combined dose. Well, that does not make me comfortable. So .. does anyone have any success / experience with SeaChem Acid Buffer / Alkaline Buffer or other similar products? Why is it that pool water can be balanced but not aquarium water? |
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Experience with SeaChem Acid Buffer & Alkaline Buffer
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:13:52 UTC, "Nemo" wrote:
Does anyone have experience with SeaChem Acid Buffer and Alkaline Buffer? I know this goes against the established wisdom in this hobby, but I maintain my swimming pool water chemistry using chemical additives (ph, kH, gH, and sanitizer). Why is it difficult to achieve a stable chemistry in a FW tank with additives as well? Do you really check both pH and KH in the pool? And what values do you get a few days after you add the proper additives to the pool? ...[snip many frustrating experiments!] I dosed for 6 dkH, 6dH, and a pH of 6.0. Within 15 minutes, the pH was back up to 7.2! Arghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Reading the label on Seachem's Acid Buffer bottle, it says that the product lowers the pH and produces CO2. Hmmmm, is this * HOW * it reduces the pH? Is aeration driving the CO2 out thus causing the pH increase? That's the essentially right answer. The acid buffer doesn't lower pH *by* producing CO2; it acidifies the water, and that forces more of the total carbonate (KH) to be carbonic acid -- which, practically, means CO2. Since you now have a higher concentration of CO2 in the water than in the air, the CO2 starts escaping -- faster, if you're aerating, but it will escape anyway. The pH goes back up, and the KH goes down, just as you observed. I don't know. But the label says that the product should be used in conjunction with Alkalinity Buffer to produce the desired (stable) pH. But it mumbles something about adding it directly to the tank for best results . I DON'T THINK SO !! At least not until I get stable water parameters in a bucket for a couple of days. At this stage, I am very skeptical about Seachem claims regarding the combined use of Acid Buffer / Alkalinity Buffer. The best way to verify, obviously, would be spend another $20 and try it. But again, the company's literature mumbles about having to "trial and error" the correct combined dose. Well, that does not make me comfortable. So .. does anyone have any success / experience with SeaChem Acid Buffer / Alkaline Buffer or other similar products? Why is it that pool water can be balanced but not aquarium water? Though I've given up on them, buffers will probably work so long as you forget KH! The theory is that you mix the buffers in the right amounts, and this holds the pH in place, and then you don't need KH to hold the pH steady, so you don't care that at pH 7 your KH will be about 1. (Unless you're raising plants, which care about CO2 levels.) As charts such as http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_co2chart.htm show, pH and KH and CO2 have a fixed 3-way relation, and when you hold CO2 to 3-4 ppm (the atmosphere does this for you), the KH and pH have a fixed relation. Try to force them out of that simple relation, and you're fighting the atmosphere. We plant-growing, CO2-injection types are continuously fighting the atmosphere. As to pool water, I can only guess that it takes a couple of days to lose excess CO2, and the chemicals get added often enough to counteract that effect. -- Dan Drake http://www.dandrake.com |
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Experience with SeaChem Acid Buffer & Alkaline Buffer
"Dan Drake" wrote in message
news:vhIsdqY67dTD-pn2-w8xbO47KvOXR@localhost... snip Do you really check both pH and KH in the pool? And what values do you get a few days after you add the proper additives to the pool? Putting things together now from what I've been told and what I know or ought to know I can clarify and summarise: While we do measure pH, kH and gH (as well as other parameters) in pool waters, we do not aim for acidic water in our smimming pools. In fact, swimming pools have a recommended pH range of 7.4-7.8, alkalinity in the range of 100-120 ppm (6 - 7 dkH) and hardness in the range of 200-350 ppm (10-20 dH). I guess this is not impossible to achieve. My problem (and fault) was that I was trying to achieve acidic conditions while wanting a buffer. Your comments refreshed my memory quite nicely. Thanks a million Dan. |
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