Has anybody else been plauged, by these little devils? It is not something,
normally talked about, we have never seen them before. But, they have caused
us to discard all of our dry goods, twice this fall; incuding our dried
peppers, tomatoes, pecans, peanuts, pasta, rice and anything else in the
pantry. They seem to go through airtight seals, and they even got my dried
habaneros. We cleaned cabinets once, thought we wre done, wrong the
*******s are back Len

damn, I am going to miss our dired tomatoes and peppers

Those things are a real pain, aren't they? We had them, or something
similar, a couple of years ago. It took us a couple of trys to get them
all gone. Store the dry things in the freezer if you have room.

Steve

len wrote:
Has anybody else been plauged, by these little devils? It is not something,
normally talked about, we have never seen them before. But, they have caused
us to discard all of our dry goods, twice this fall; incuding our dried
peppers, tomatoes, pecans, peanuts, pasta, rice and anything else in the
pantry. They seem to go through airtight seals, and they even got my dried
habaneros. We cleaned cabinets once, thought we wre done, wrong the
*******s are back Len

damn, I am going to miss our dired tomatoes and peppers

len said:

Has anybody else been plauged, by these little devils? It is not something,
normally talked about, we have never seen them before. But, they have caused
us to discard all of our dry goods, twice this fall; incuding our dried
peppers, tomatoes, pecans, peanuts, pasta, rice and anything else in the
pantry. They seem to go through airtight seals, and they even got my dried
habaneros. We cleaned cabinets once, thought we wre done, wrong the
*******s are back Len

There is a pheremone trap that helped me eliminate them in my home.
Google "pantry pest trap" for sources/info.

If you have small children in the house (or very messy large children and
adults) you might have isolated areas of infestation that you miss when
cleaning the cabinets. A few oyster crackers spilled behind the bed, or
in the chair in the spare room, etc.

The usual source of reinfection (once you eliminate them from your house) is
flour (especially whole grain) or birdseed. Always bag them in plastic and
freeze them for several days to kill any moths. I usually store whole grain
flours in the freezer anyway to stop them going rancid.


--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:42:53 -0500, "len"
wrote:

Has anybody else been plauged, by these little devils?

You betcha. Even sealing up everything doesn't seem to eliminate them.
Some determined types (the dreaded and inexpertly identified 'chile
moth') seem to be able to bore through ziploc bags, or be included in
original packaging. Seal everything in glass jars or heavy-duty
plastic containers. Eat fast! That is, don't expect moth-attractive
things are going to last indefinitely. Freezing is a help. Wretched
critters!

writes:
Has anybody else been plauged, by these little devils? It is not
something,
normally talked about, we have never seen them before. But, they have
caused
us to discard all of our dry goods, twice this fall; incuding our dried
peppers, tomatoes, pecans, peanuts, pasta, rice and anything else in the
pantry. They seem to go through airtight seals, and they even got my dried
habaneros. We cleaned cabinets once, thought we wre done, wrong the
*******s are back Len

damn, I am going to miss our dired tomatoes and peppers

I had them briefly, and very badly, about ten years ago, never did
discover when they came, it was like an explosion. The only way of
getting rid of them was to discard everything they like (which, basically,
is all dry food not in cans, commercially canned!). All new things
purchased went into fruit jars and tightened thoroughly (with fresh lids
so the seal was in tact). When buying new items, I immediately emptied
them from the original boxes/sacks/packages into the jars.

When they suddenly appeared, they were soon so thick we could hardly walk
through the kitchen area without "bumping" into one or more. Well, maybe
I exaggerate a bit, but not much! It took nearly two months, but they
were finally all gone, never to return, not in that house anyway.

Then . . . last summer, I made the horrid mistake of storing sunflower
seeds for the birds *inside* . . . will NEVER do that again, and that was
the laundry room! They didn't get into the kitchen cabinets this time but
it seemed like one was always turning up somewhere for several weeks after
the bird seed was outside. I put up flypaper this time. Three strips
suspended around the house, one even in the living room just in case.
Though I rarely saw one flying (or on the wall or ceiling), many showed up
on that flypaper which was rather revealing as to how many were actually
around. It also caught a fair share of fruit flies.

In short, you will never get completely rid of them unless you are
diligent about putting everything dry in tightly sealed glass jars
immediately. Flypaper will give you clues as to when they are finally
gone; don't trust your eyes. I'm actually considering keep a strip of
flypaper in the kitchen just in case some come in new food items and I
don't see anything; it's just plain creepy to see them in the food! This
year, I added the additional precaution of putting all bulk foods in
plastic bags in the freezer before storing in the glass jars (and still
do) just in case there might be eggs in that even though I've never had an
identified problem with that. Even after you think they are gone,
continue the extra storage precautions for another couple of months just
to be on the safe side . . . I hate so throwing away what should have been
good food.

Zip lock bags, commercial packaging, *tightly* fitting lids (unless they
are sealed as if to be canned) will not ensure no infestation if the
devil-based insects are around at all. They are masters at getting
somewhere that there seems to be not even the tiniest opening. There
could not have been *that* much food suddenly with eggs in it from the
outside as there was that horrible month ten years ago! Until the
sunflower seeds this past summer, I had completely forgotten our several
weeks of misery ten years ago! It did the first time around, however, get
me into a very good habit of storing dry goods in glass jars, also a good
mouse-resistant item which will allow me to store the food anywhere, even
in the garage or basement if I should want to. :-)

For the record, my dehyrator instructions say to store anything dried with
the peelings on in the freezer for at least 48 hours before storing, just
in case some insect has laid eggs in the skin of the fruit/vegetable. I
do it as a matter of course even though I use vacu-bags, even if I've
peeled . . . quite likely overly done, but those critters are not fun and
I detest discarding food. On the other hand, the chickens love it, they
get protein with their vegs.

Good luck on eliminating the problem immediately.

Glenna

Thanks everbody, you are not going to see this often, I think everybody is
right. All the advice is extremely helpful, plus I just apreciate the
company. The more I talk about it, the more people I find who have had them.
I am 49 years old, and never had seen them before.
We are going to get a vacum sealer, and use canning jars. We actually had
them get inside a canning jar with peanut candy, that I made, it was not
vacum sealed, but it was airtight. One thing that is pretty constant, when
you talk to those have had them is, their ability to get where they
shouldn't be able to. I believe that they can get through plastic bag, no
problem.
Anyways, we cleaned and sprayed Saturday, today is first day I haven't
had to kill one by hand. You know we haven't had roaches or fleas for years,
now this. Again, thanks Len

"ps. is Pat Meadows out there?

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:43:09 -0500, "len"
wrote:


"ps. is Pat Meadows out there?


Yes.

Just not posting any more .... partly b/c someone is
archiving all the posts on rec.gardens.edible to his
commercial website and I intensely dislike copyright
violation.

Why did you want me?

Pat

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:43:09 -0500, "len"
wrote:


"ps. is Pat Meadows out there?


Yes.

Just not posting any more .... partly b/c someone is
archiving all the posts on rec.gardens.edible to his
commercial website and I intensely dislike copyright
violation.

Why did you want me?

Pat

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other format is specifically *not* granted.


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I just miss your posts that's all, I figured you had been spammed out
existance. Len

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:43:09 -0500, "len"
wrote:


"ps. is Pat Meadows out there?


Yes.

Just not posting any more .... partly b/c someone is
archiving all the posts on rec.gardens.edible to his
commercial website and I intensely dislike copyright
violation.

Why did you want me?

Pat

Copyright © 2003 Patricia Meadows
All Rights Reserved

NOTE: Permission to use this post on any website or in any
other format is specifically *not* granted.


--
To email me, remove the spam trap and type my first
name in its place.

CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY
United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/
International: http://www.thehungersite.com/
I just miss your posts that's all, I figured you had been spammed out
existance. Len

You know this newsgroup can die, the new posts are getting slower. I
personaly, don't want it to. In the past, your post have filled the void. I
could care less if somebody copies my post, F them, the point is we are
trying to share info and experiance about raising our own, healthy food.
Happy Holidays, may you have a good new year. Len

As an example of a dead newsgroup, check alt. music. mandolin
signed Len, small land owner, bicyclist, gardener and wannbe musician,
Len

www.pestweb.com/roxide revenge pantry bug traps

i will pass the above site on... but will say i stopped using them cuz i
couldn't
watch the little moths struggle for weeks & still be alive..

came up with alternative:
use cat food can & put in some water with something sweet, & they will
drown themselves. ( at least its quick)

good luck
jfrost


"len" wrote in message
news:IM7Fb.6807$Fg.6281@lakeread01...
Has anybody else been plauged, by these little devils? It is not
something,
normally talked about, we have never seen them before. But, they have
caused
us to discard all of our dry goods, twice this fall; incuding our dried
peppers, tomatoes, pecans, peanuts, pasta, rice and anything else in the
pantry. They seem to go through airtight seals, and they even got my dried
habaneros. We cleaned cabinets once, thought we wre done, wrong the
*******s are back Len

damn, I am going to miss our dired tomatoes and peppers

len wrote:

Has anybody else been plauged, by these little devils? It is not something,
normally talked about, we have never seen them before. But, they have caused
us to discard all of our dry goods, twice this fall; incuding our dried
peppers, tomatoes, pecans, peanuts, pasta, rice and anything else in the
pantry. They seem to go through airtight seals, and they even got my dried
habaneros. We cleaned cabinets once, thought we wre done, wrong the
*******s are back Len

damn, I am going to miss our dired tomatoes and peppers


Put bay leaves through everything & the India meal moths will leave.
They hate bay leaves. Frezzing stuff for 2 weeks helps too.

Minteeleaf, been doing it for years with good results.

Minteeleaf wrote:

len wrote:

Has anybody else been plauged, by these little devils? It is not something,
normally talked about, we have never seen them before. But, they have caused
us to discard all of our dry goods, twice this fall; incuding our dried
peppers, tomatoes, pecans, peanuts, pasta, rice and anything else in the
pantry. They seem to go through airtight seals, and they even got my dried
habaneros. We cleaned cabinets once, thought we wre done, wrong the
*******s are back Len

damn, I am going to miss our dired tomatoes and peppers

Put bay leaves through everything & the India meal moths will leave.
They hate bay leaves. Frezzing stuff for 2 weeks helps too.

Minteeleaf, been doing it for years with good results.

Oops, that should be "freezing."

Minteeleaf

"Minteeleaf" wrote in message
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len wrote:

Has anybody else been plauged, by these little devils? It is not
something,
normally talked about, we have never seen them before. But, they have
caused
us to discard all of our dry goods, twice this fall; incuding our dried
peppers, tomatoes, pecans, peanuts, pasta, rice and anything else in the
pantry. They seem to go through airtight seals, and they even got my
dried
habaneros. We cleaned cabinets once, thought we wre done, wrong the
*******s are back Len

damn, I am going to miss our dired tomatoes and peppers


Put bay leaves through everything & the India meal moths will leave.
They hate bay leaves. Frezzing stuff for 2 weeks helps too.

Minteeleaf, been doing it for years with good results.

Thankyou, we are trying the bay leaves, I always thought they were good
for something, but I never knew what it was. We have cleaned and sprayed,
then we put out the bay leaves. That was last saturday, we have 3 days
without moths. Thans to all, Len