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On 10/2/2017 7:58 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:30 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:34 PM, songbird wrote: Pavel314 wrote: ... A friend of ours has several large black walnut trees in her yard. She can't use them all so she invited us up to gather as many as we wanted. We went up there last week and came home with three five-gallon pails full. My wife is processing them; she says it reminds her of her childhood in the mountains of eastern Tennessee. Â*Â* there's a lot of black walnut trees around here, the squirrels drop them in the road and let people run over them. Â*Â* last time i picked a bunch of black walnuts and shelled them out i made some black walnut cookies.Â* it was a lot of work but worth it. i tried making walnut cookies with regular walnuts, but they just weren't the same... Â*Â* i will likely buy some black walnuts next time i make those kind of cookies.Â* my hands are too useful to risk more damage like that. Â*Â* songbird I made the mistake of planting a couple of English walnuts.Â* Never got any nuts as squirrels would get to them before they even matured. Early this year one got blown over and I had it removed but it displaced the other and it is not tolerating it well so I have to have it removed. Been over 40 years ago that we moved into this house when it was new and I am still correcting my planting mistakes with trees and bushes. Been there, done that. Every house we've lived in has been spruced up, the gardens done to our wants, then we move on to my next job as I climbed the management of safety in chemical plants and refineries around the world. I'm pretty sure we're going to stay in this house until we're either dead or gone to a nursing home. Small property but wife has most of the ground covered with flowers, etc. and our small vegetable garden. At our age that's about what we can handle. I keep the books, wife keeps the small lawn mowed, and takes care of the gardens. I also do most of the cooking and cleaning. Can't walk well on uneven ground but can get around with my cane in the house. Works well for us and has been working well for a goodly amount of time. George, up early to feed the dawg, as usual. I have nearly an acre on a sloped lot. Very hilly neighborhood and most of the neighbors on my street let back yards grow wild but wife likes ours mowed which is getting increasingly harder to get mower down hill. Too steep for a riding mower. I lucked out this year with a next door neighbor cutting the back which he can access from his lot with his rider. He does it for the cost of the fuel which in this instance is an occasional case of Heineken. Unfortunately he is moving due to new job for his wife so next year I may have to hire someone. Will have three new neighbors on both sides and back next year. Most important is one in the back to access back yard from his driveway running entire length of my lot. Tree cutter has used it a couple of times and will need it again when leaves are down in a couple of months. Our son loves this house and would have bought it except for the 2-3 acres it is on are so sloppy and 700 ft drive is too much. I had another neighbor down the road with 22 acres with a 0.4 mile drive. He died at age 90 but was still an adjunct professor at U. of Delaware who walked to work nearly 10 miles away, believe it or not. |
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On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them. I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller. This was at friends hunting camp in central PA. Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem. There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms. These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag. I'm sure I've eaten more than a few. This year's crop appears clean. You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. |
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On 10/2/2017 8:36 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 7:58 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:30 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:34 PM, songbird wrote: Pavel314 wrote: ... A friend of ours has several large black walnut trees in her yard. She can't use them all so she invited us up to gather as many as we wanted. We went up there last week and came home with three five-gallon pails full. My wife is processing them; she says it reminds her of her childhood in the mountains of eastern Tennessee. Â*Â* there's a lot of black walnut trees around here, the squirrels drop them in the road and let people run over them. Â*Â* last time i picked a bunch of black walnuts and shelled them out i made some black walnut cookies.Â* it was a lot of work but worth it. i tried making walnut cookies with regular walnuts, but they just weren't the same... Â*Â* i will likely buy some black walnuts next time i make those kind of cookies.Â* my hands are too useful to risk more damage like that. Â*Â* songbird I made the mistake of planting a couple of English walnuts.Â* Never got any nuts as squirrels would get to them before they even matured. Early this year one got blown over and I had it removed but it displaced the other and it is not tolerating it well so I have to have it removed. Been over 40 years ago that we moved into this house when it was new and I am still correcting my planting mistakes with trees and bushes. Been there, done that. Every house we've lived in has been spruced up, the gardens done to our wants, then we move on to my next job as I climbed the management of safety in chemical plants and refineries around the world. I'm pretty sure we're going to stay in this house until we're either dead or gone to a nursing home. Small property but wife has most of the ground covered with flowers, etc. and our small vegetable garden. At our age that's about what we can handle. I keep the books, wife keeps the small lawn mowed, and takes care of the gardens. I also do most of the cooking and cleaning. Can't walk well on uneven ground but can get around with my cane in the house. Works well for us and has been working well for a goodly amount of time. George, up early to feed the dawg, as usual. I have nearly an acre on a sloped lot.Â* Very hilly neighborhood and most of the neighbors on my street let back yards grow wild but wife likes ours mowed which is getting increasingly harder to get mower down hill. Too steep for a riding mower.Â* I lucked out this year with a next door neighbor cutting the back which he can access from his lot with his rider.Â* He does it for the cost of the fuel which in this instance is an occasional case of Heineken.Â* Unfortunately he is moving due to new job for his wife so next year I may have to hire someone. Will have three new neighbors on both sides and back next year.Â* Most important is one in the back to access back yard from his driveway running entire length of my lot.Â* Tree cutter has used it a couple of times and will need it again when leaves are down in a couple of months. Our son loves this house and would have bought it except for the 2-3 acres it is on are so sloppy and 700 ft drive is too much.Â* I had another neighbor down the road with 22 acres with a 0.4 mile drive.Â* He died at age 90 but was still an adjunct professor at U. of Delaware who walked to work nearly 10 miles away, believe it or not. I can believe that, my Uncle Gus lived to be 91 and was blind and deaf then. He was my father's next down brother and a good man, was a member of three different unions and worked until he was in his late sixties and didn't want to retire then but was forced out. He didn't want to NOT work, not many people can say that. I retired at 65 as a lone wolf safety professional, was very sick, docs said I would be dead soon. Gave my business to a very good friend who couldn't afford to buy it but we got gifts every month for two years, not asked for but given for thanks. He grew the company to ten times the income I had pulled in but I didn't want to work to much. G Now his two sons are running the business and doing well. Makes me feel good that I started something that keeps paying off to the people I like. Nowadays I nap a lot, read lots of books, watch tv, brush and bathe the dog, cook meals for us, do the grocery shopping, then more naps. My body is not doing much for me, to many years of climbing towers, hauling loads, arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, etc. (all of which run in the men of my family) but I can still teach the grands and great grands, and, I hope, the great great grands if I can still keep going. |
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On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut.Â* I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few.Â* This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG |
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On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few.Â* This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies surround them nearby. I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I had apple trees. I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying. Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile after they were done. I also suspect they did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs. Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts. If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels. I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals but in their judicious use. |
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On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few.Â* This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs. Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts.Â* If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels. I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals but in their judicious use. I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen! |
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On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few.Â* This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs. Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts.Â* If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels. I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals but in their judicious use. I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen! No question. I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking. I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with toxicologists and their labs. Now retired I have written and been responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting. When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies that could not handle them responsibly. |
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On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few.Â* This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs. Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts. If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels. I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals but in their judicious use. I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen! No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking. I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the stove, goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does that ring a bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer house and I put in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built our first home I sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to the fan, which cost something like ten bucks. In those days I made $2.50 an hour as a top operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks was a lot of money to us. Nowadays guys doing what I did in the sixties are making what sounds like big money but buys about the same amount of grub for us back then. I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting. When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies that could not handle them responsibly. I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to some of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety professional I got several people fired for not doing their due diligence and have pulled wounded and dead out of something that should never have happened. You teach people the right way to do things and then they go dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad I'm retired and don't have to do that anymore. We could certainly throw out some old stories over a cup of coffee. I go to reunions for a couple of companies, now all combined with the big boys, and we revisit our youth and some revisit their foolishness. I'm glad I'm retired. |
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On 10/2/2017 9:26 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few. This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs. Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts. If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels. I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals but in their judicious use. I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen! No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking. I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the stove, goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does that ring a bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer house and I put in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built our first home I sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to the fan, which cost something like ten bucks. In those days I made $2.50 an hour as a top operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks was a lot of money to us. Nowadays guys doing what I did in the sixties are making what sounds like big money but buys about the same amount of grub for us back then. I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting. When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies that could not handle them responsibly. I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to some of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety professional I got several people fired for not doing their due diligence and have pulled wounded and dead out of something that should never have happened. You teach people the right way to do things and then they go dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad I'm retired and don't have to do that anymore. We could certainly throw out some old stories over a cup of coffee. I go to reunions for a couple of companies, now all combined with the big boys, and we revisit our youth and some revisit their foolishness. I'm glad I'm retired. I worked for DuPont in fibers and plastics R&D but spent the last 3 years as a regulatory affairs consultant. Had to take early retirement as company began to shrink. They are now Dow-DuPont. The years in regulatory gave me good experience to consult but that is now down to 1-2 days a month. Makes me stay current with computers and new rules. |
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On 10/6/2017 5:51 PM, Frank wrote:
On 10/2/2017 9:26 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few. This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs. Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts. If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels. I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals but in their judicious use. I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen! No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking. I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the stove, goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does that ring a bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer house and I put in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built our first home I sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to the fan, which cost something like ten bucks. In those days I made $2.50 an hour as a top operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks was a lot of money to us. Nowadays guys doing what I did in the sixties are making what sounds like big money but buys about the same amount of grub for us back then. I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting. When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies that could not handle them responsibly. I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to some of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety professional I got several people fired for not doing their due diligence and have pulled wounded and dead out of something that should never have happened. You teach people the right way to do things and then they go dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad I'm retired and don't have to do that anymore. We could certainly throw out some old stories over a cup of coffee. I go to reunions for a couple of companies, now all combined with the big boys, and we revisit our youth and some revisit their foolishness. I'm glad I'm retired. I worked for DuPont in fibers and plastics R&D but spent the last 3 years as a regulatory affairs consultant.Â* Had to take early retirement as company began to shrink.Â* They are now Dow-DuPont.Â* The years in regulatory gave me good experience to consult but that is now down to 1-2 days a month.Â* Makes me stay current with computers and new rules. I spent the last sixteen or seventeen years of my career as a lone safety professional, working from home. Wrote hundreds of safety manual's, had a goodly amount of small companies that worked for the big companies. Did their monthly safety meetings, wrote their safety manuals, visited the big chemical plants and refineries, etc. to do walk rounds to see if the client workers were working safely, etc. Enjoyed doing the job on my own until one day I started having strokes and heart attacks and finally had to retire. Gave my business to my best friend who I had been training for some time. He called me a couple of weeks ago, he turned 70 and turned the business over to his two sons to run. So it keeps going on, I hope, with teaching people to be safe. I'm a third generation worker in refineries, chemical plants, etc. and the only one who worked in safety. I don't miss making the rounds as my health is not so good, the reason I turned it over to my friend. Keep it up my friend, you may be saving lives and doing good. |
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On 10/6/2017 9:23 PM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/6/2017 5:51 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 9:26 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few. This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs. Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts. If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels. I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals but in their judicious use. I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen! No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking. I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the stove, goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does that ring a bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer house and I put in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built our first home I sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to the fan, which cost something like ten bucks. In those days I made $2.50 an hour as a top operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks was a lot of money to us. Nowadays guys doing what I did in the sixties are making what sounds like big money but buys about the same amount of grub for us back then. I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting. When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies that could not handle them responsibly. I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to some of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety professional I got several people fired for not doing their due diligence and have pulled wounded and dead out of something that should never have happened. You teach people the right way to do things and then they go dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad I'm retired and don't have to do that anymore. We could certainly throw out some old stories over a cup of coffee. I go to reunions for a couple of companies, now all combined with the big boys, and we revisit our youth and some revisit their foolishness. I'm glad I'm retired. I worked for DuPont in fibers and plastics R&D but spent the last 3 years as a regulatory affairs consultant.Â* Had to take early retirement as company began to shrink.Â* They are now Dow-DuPont.Â* The years in regulatory gave me good experience to consult but that is now down to 1-2 days a month.Â* Makes me stay current with computers and new rules. I spent the last sixteen or seventeen years of my career as a lone safety professional, working from home. Wrote hundreds of safety manual's, had a goodly amount of small companies that worked for the big companies. Did their monthly safety meetings, wrote their safety manuals, visited the big chemical plants and refineries, etc. to do walk rounds to see if the client workers were working safely, etc. Enjoyed doing the job on my own until one day I started having strokes and heart attacks and finally had to retire. Gave my business to my best friend who I had been training for some time. He called me a couple of weeks ago, he turned 70 and turned the business over to his two sons to run. So it keeps going on, I hope, with teaching people to be safe. I'm a third generation worker in refineries, chemical plants, etc. and the only one who worked in safety. I don't miss making the rounds as my health is not so good, the reason I turned it over to my friend. Keep it up my friend, you may be saving lives and doing good. My work dealt with safety of our polymer products. I was responsible for elastomers, Teflon finishes and acrylics and monomers that made them. I was department coordinator with our Haskell toxicology lab and a backup TSCA coordinator. I worked with business managers setting up product safety compliance reviews. We worked with company regulatory groups in Canada, Europe and Asia so I had to be familiar with rules in these areas. I had contacts with EPA, FDA and OSHA. When I was in R&D our outlook was limited to R&D, manufacturing and marketing with little contact with upper company management but regulatory had me working with several upper management layers and it was eye opening to learn business scope. Before I left R&D DuPont Central Research tried to get me for a couple of positions but since R&D was declining and these jobs were related to another department, they shoved their people there. Probably ended up better with gaining regulatory and safety skills as this lab is now kaput. |
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On 10/7/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote:
On 10/6/2017 9:23 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/6/2017 5:51 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 9:26 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms.Â* These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few. This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs. Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts. If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels. I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals but in their judicious use. I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen! No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking. I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the stove, goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does that ring a bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer house and I put in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built our first home I sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to the fan, which cost something like ten bucks. In those days I made $2.50 an hour as a top operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks was a lot of money to us. Nowadays guys doing what I did in the sixties are making what sounds like big money but buys about the same amount of grub for us back then. I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting. When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies that could not handle them responsibly. I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to some of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety professional I got several people fired for not doing their due diligence and have pulled wounded and dead out of something that should never have happened. You teach people the right way to do things and then they go dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad I'm retired and don't have to do that anymore. We could certainly throw out some old stories over a cup of coffee. I go to reunions for a couple of companies, now all combined with the big boys, and we revisit our youth and some revisit their foolishness. I'm glad I'm retired. I worked for DuPont in fibers and plastics R&D but spent the last 3 years as a regulatory affairs consultant.Â* Had to take early retirement as company began to shrink.Â* They are now Dow-DuPont.Â* The years in regulatory gave me good experience to consult but that is now down to 1-2 days a month.Â* Makes me stay current with computers and new rules. I spent the last sixteen or seventeen years of my career as a lone safety professional, working from home. Wrote hundreds of safety manual's, had a goodly amount of small companies that worked for the big companies. Did their monthly safety meetings, wrote their safety manuals, visited the big chemical plants and refineries, etc. to do walk rounds to see if the client workers were working safely, etc. Enjoyed doing the job on my own until one day I started having strokes and heart attacks and finally had to retire. Gave my business to my best friend who I had been training for some time. He called me a couple of weeks ago, he turned 70 and turned the business over to his two sons to run. So it keeps going on, I hope, with teaching people to be safe. I'm a third generation worker in refineries, chemical plants, etc. and the only one who worked in safety. I don't miss making the rounds as my health is not so good, the reason I turned it over to my friend. Keep it up my friend, you may be saving lives and doing good. My work dealt with safety of our polymer products.Â* I was responsible for elastomers, Teflon finishes and acrylics and monomers that made them.Â* I was department coordinator with our Haskell toxicology lab and a backup TSCA coordinator.Â* I worked with business managers setting up product safety compliance reviews.Â* We worked with company regulatory groups in Canada, Europe and Asia so I had to be familiar with rules in these areas.Â* I had contacts with EPA, FDA and OSHA. When I was in R&D our outlook was limited to R&D, manufacturing and marketing with little contact with upper company management but regulatory had me working with several upper management layers and it was eye opening to learn business scope. Before I left R&D DuPont Central Research tried to get me for a couple of positions but since R&D was declining and these jobs were related to another department, they shoved their people there.Â* Probably ended up better with gaining regulatory and safety skills as this lab is now kaput. I finally gave in and retired completely after seeing how bad some companies were and are still. Stopped writing safety manuals and just said the hell with it. I'm much happier and much healthier since I hung up my hard hat. Still have problems from long ago strokes and heart attacks but still kicking along at age 78. Just got my DNA test back last night and it is not what my parents claimed. I'm not a half breed Native American, only less than 1% Native, my folks claimed more. Of course there was no DNA tests when they were young and just knew what their parents told them. Dang! |
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On 10/7/2017 7:43 AM, George Shirley wrote:
On 10/7/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/6/2017 9:23 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/6/2017 5:51 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 9:26 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 7:22 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:03 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 5:54 PM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 4:55 PM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/2/2017 8:00 AM, George Shirley wrote: On 10/2/2017 6:33 AM, Frank wrote: On 10/1/2017 10:30 PM, songbird wrote: Frank wrote: ... I'm into chestnut season.Â* I don't save as many but like to shell and freeze to use with stuffing turkey. I'll chomp on them in the evening with a glass of wine but they last less than 2 months in the refrigerator as they do not keep like fatty nuts such as peanuts. Â*Â* i didn't think there were any of those trees still around any longer? I hate to leave them for the deer and the squirrels and saturate my friends with them.Â* Invited neighbors over today to pick up as much as they wanted. Â*Â* in the days before the fungi they were a major source of fodder for animals in the forest and many people would let pigs run to fatten up and then... Â*Â* songbird Mine are Chinese chestnuts.Â* The American chestnut is supposedly returning and a few years ago I tried a few of these chestnuts and they tasted the same.Â* I don't think the wood of the Chinese tree is as good as the American tree. I have never seen an American chestnut, don't think they grew in my part of Texas. Have eaten Chinese chestnuts, do they have the same taste? George It's been years since I tasted them.Â* I think taste was same as Chinese chestnuts and they were slightly smaller.Â* This was at friends hunting camp in central PA.Â* Guy that brought them in said they were American chestnuts. I tried to sell some to local market years ago but they refused as there is a worm problem.Â* There is a chestnut weevil that I have never seen but it lays eggs on the hull and they burrow into the chestnut. I spray with Sevin but can't reach the tops of both trees and often see a lot of worms. These little buggers can even bore through a plastic bag.Â* I'm sure I've eaten more than a few. This year's crop appears clean.Â* You spray for 3-4 weeks weekly about 6 weeks before harvest. We tried growing everything without sprays, etc. and damned near died from what all was eating our gardens. Now we just spray and then wash stuff from the garden. It's hell trying to grown things "naturally" when the world is full of things that want to screw up your garden. Particularly when you're close enough to the harbor for Houston and all the junk the ships bring in. Some have destroyed crops that have been grown for a very long time. Then the gubmint says "You can't spray that, it might hurt the atmosphere or something else." Heck, I used to flag crop dusters as a kid with just a bandana tied over my face. I think all that "poison" is why I'm still around, sort of like being petrified or so0mething. VBG When your trees are fairly isolated from similar trees all the enemies surround them nearby.Â* I had trouble with apple worms and fungus when I had apple trees.Â* I used to bicycle past an orchard on Sunday mornings and saw them spraying.Â* Bet there was not a bug or fungus within a mile after they were done.Â* I also suspect they did not have to spray that often as it would take awhile before they were invaded by surrounding bugs. Probably same for squirrels when I tried to raise English walnuts. If an orchard knocked their population down it would take a much longer time to recover than my trees surrounded by woods full of squirrels. I may be a chemist but do not believe in the liberal use of chemicals but in their judicious use. I made my living for sixteen years making chemicals, but not the type you're thinking of, just little stuff like benzene, etc. G After the 16 years as a grunt I moved into management with several different chemical plants and refineries. We were careful in handling the stuff and what we sold off to other companies had the proper paper work for handling them. Unfortunately lots of small companies made really bad chemicals for bugs, etc. that were two steppers, get a good bit of the chemical, walk two steps and fall over dead. Like you I am cautious about any over the counter or home made chemicals and read the cautions part four or five times. Breathing some of that stuff fifty years ago or so didn't help my health. Anyone that handles any kind of chemical, even the ones under the kitchen sink, needs to be fully aware of what happens if you breath it, drink it, or get it on you. Amen! No question.Â* I am often telling my wife to be careful with her use of bleach and need for ventilation when cooking. I do too, my wife often cooks without turning on the fan over the stove, goes straight out through the wall. She's an artist, does that ring a bell about safety? Years ago we lived in a small trailer house and I put in a fan above the stove in the wall. When we built our first home I sold the trailer and got an extra $100 bucks due to the fan, which cost something like ten bucks. In those days I made $2.50 an hour as a top operator in a chemical plant and ten bucks was a lot of money to us. Nowadays guys doing what I did in the sixties are making what sounds like big money but buys about the same amount of grub for us back then. I am very familiar with toxicology and have worked for years with toxicologists and their labs.Â* Now retired I have written and been responsible for thousands of safety data sheets in my consulting. When working, my company often refused to sell chemicals to companies that could not handle them responsibly. I hear that, happily I worked for years for Mobil, then moved on to some of the larger chemical and refining companies. As a safety professional I got several people fired for not doing their due diligence and have pulled wounded and dead out of something that should never have happened. You teach people the right way to do things and then they go dumb on you just once and kaboom! I'm glad I'm retired and don't have to do that anymore. We could certainly throw out some old stories over a cup of coffee. I go to reunions for a couple of companies, now all combined with the big boys, and we revisit our youth and some revisit their foolishness. I'm glad I'm retired. I worked for DuPont in fibers and plastics R&D but spent the last 3 years as a regulatory affairs consultant.Â* Had to take early retirement as company began to shrink.Â* They are now Dow-DuPont. The years in regulatory gave me good experience to consult but that is now down to 1-2 days a month.Â* Makes me stay current with computers and new rules. I spent the last sixteen or seventeen years of my career as a lone safety professional, working from home. Wrote hundreds of safety manual's, had a goodly amount of small companies that worked for the big companies. Did their monthly safety meetings, wrote their safety manuals, visited the big chemical plants and refineries, etc. to do walk rounds to see if the client workers were working safely, etc. Enjoyed doing the job on my own until one day I started having strokes and heart attacks and finally had to retire. Gave my business to my best friend who I had been training for some time. He called me a couple of weeks ago, he turned 70 and turned the business over to his two sons to run. So it keeps going on, I hope, with teaching people to be safe. I'm a third generation worker in refineries, chemical plants, etc. and the only one who worked in safety. I don't miss making the rounds as my health is not so good, the reason I turned it over to my friend. Keep it up my friend, you may be saving lives and doing good. My work dealt with safety of our polymer products.Â* I was responsible for elastomers, Teflon finishes and acrylics and monomers that made them.Â* I was department coordinator with our Haskell toxicology lab and a backup TSCA coordinator.Â* I worked with business managers setting up product safety compliance reviews.Â* We worked with company regulatory groups in Canada, Europe and Asia so I had to be familiar with rules in these areas.Â* I had contacts with EPA, FDA and OSHA. When I was in R&D our outlook was limited to R&D, manufacturing and marketing with little contact with upper company management but regulatory had me working with several upper management layers and it was eye opening to learn business scope. Before I left R&D DuPont Central Research tried to get me for a couple of positions but since R&D was declining and these jobs were related to another department, they shoved their people there.Â* Probably ended up better with gaining regulatory and safety skills as this lab is now kaput. I finally gave in and retired completely after seeing how bad some companies were and are still. Stopped writing safety manuals and just said the hell with it. I'm much happier and much healthier since I hung up my hard hat. Still have problems from long ago strokes and heart attacks but still kicking along at age 78. Just got my DNA test back last night and it is not what my parents claimed. I'm not a half breed Native American, only less than 1% Native, my folks claimed more. Of course there was no DNA tests when they were young and just knew what their parents told them. Dang! Interesting. I got mine back a couple of weeks ago and it was unusual. I thought I was half Italian and half Lithuanian but Italian part is only 20% and rest is central and eastern European. 14% European Jew which I guess means the tribes of that region that migrated to Europe. One daughter in laws sister is into genealogy and is a member of the DAR. She had the test and found 2% African and demanded her parents take the test to see where it came from. My daughter in law thinks this is funny and when I asked her what she thought she said it just means an ancestor was adventuresome. Our new granddaughter is 1% African and I told my lawyer son that it is good and would qualify her as a minority who could become a law professor at Harvard. |
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On 10/7/2017 7:52 AM, Frank wrote:
I finally gave in and retired completely after seeing how bad some companies were and are still. Stopped writing safety manuals and just said the hell with it. I'm much happier and much healthier since I hung up my hard hat. Still have problems from long ago strokes and heart attacks but still kicking along at age 78. Just got my DNA test back last night and it is not what my parents claimed. I'm not a half breed Native American, only less than 1% Native, my folks claimed more. Of course there was no DNA tests when they were young and just knew what their parents told them. Dang! Interesting.Â* I got mine back a couple of weeks ago and it was unusual. I thought I was half Italian and half Lithuanian but Italian part is only 20% and rest is central and eastern European. 14% European Jew which I guess means the tribes of that region that migrated to Europe. One daughter in laws sister is into genealogy and is a member of the DAR.Â* She had the test and found 2% African and demanded her parents take the test to see where it came from.Â* My daughter in law thinks this is funny and when I asked her what she thought she said it just means an ancestor was adventuresome.Â* Our new granddaughter is 1% African and I told my lawyer son that it is good and would qualify her as a minority who could become a law professor at Harvard. In the south of the USA there are probably a tint of African blood in a lot of people. Could be even from when our family was still in the home land, overseas. I see nothing to worry about in my bloodline, just waiting for wife's DNA to come in. Her folks were mostly German and English so it should be interesting too. My folks and hers have been gone a good while. I have one half sister still living but in late eighties and lives in a nursing home now. We haven't spoken in 20 years or more and there won't be any before we are both gone. I'm hoping to go to sleep one night and not wake up. I've had enough surgeries, etc. and am still kicking, well, can't kick, can only walk on flat surfaces, but I can still get around with my cane so I'm happy. I have about a dozen canes, mostly bought when we were exploring Asia and Europe. Couldn't carry a gun so carried a heavy cane. My favorite cane rides in my car and has several nicks in the heavy lacquer that hides the iron wood. G |
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