Got into my gardening area for about the first time in two weeks because
the rain has kept me inside. Near giddy with excitement when I saw the
green manure and clover was taking hold. To me that means in about two
months, I can lay down more newsprint, mulch and, start gardening. And
the crowd goes wild.

Gotta feel good about the under dog Giants. They did it the hard way.
Too bad there can only be one winner. Against any other team, except
Green Bay, I would have been rooting for the Patriots.
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Got into my gardening area for about the first time in two weeks because
the rain has kept me inside. Near giddy with excitement when I saw the
green manure and clover was taking hold. To me that means in about two
months, I can lay down more newsprint, mulch and, start gardening. And
the crowd goes wild.

I'm planning on playing with landscaping fabric this year with mulch to
control weeds.

I get sick of weeding sometimes. g


Gotta feel good about the under dog Giants. They did it the hard way.
Too bad there can only be one winner. Against any other team, except
Green Bay, I would have been rooting for the Patriots.

I have happy co-workers!
--
Peace, Om

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Mark Twain

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Got into my gardening area for about the first time in two weeks because
the rain has kept me inside. Near giddy with excitement when I saw the
green manure and clover was taking hold. To me that means in about two
months, I can lay down more newsprint, mulch and, start gardening. And
the crowd goes wild.

I'm planning on playing with landscaping fabric this year with mulch to
control weeds.

and I am planning on playing with black plastic ground covers for my
tomatoes and peppers. After last year's cool summer, I'm ready to do
some tweaking.


I get sick of weeding sometimes. g

How strange. Actually, one of my triumphs last year was mulching, and
crowding plants together to create enough shade to suppress weeds. It
worked. Unfortunenately, it also lead to a rapid spread of leaf curl
among the green beans and the tomatoes. This year the tomatoes and beans
will be separated to different ends of the garden and I'll try parsnips
and peppers together.


Gotta feel good about the under dog Giants. They did it the hard way.
Too bad there can only be one winner. Against any other team, except
Green Bay, I would have been rooting for the Patriots.

I have happy co-workers!

Lucky you. The 49ers may have found a quarterback but the rest is doom
and gloom. We have a meddling owner, John York, and a clueless head
coach, Dick Nolan who can't see that his quarterback is injured when it
is obvious to the rest of the world. There is some hope across the Bay
in Oakland though with the Raiders.

--
Bush Behind Bars

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

In article ,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Got into my gardening area for about the first time in two weeks because
the rain has kept me inside. Near giddy with excitement when I saw the
green manure and clover was taking hold. To me that means in about two
months, I can lay down more newsprint, mulch and, start gardening. And
the crowd goes wild.

I'm planning on playing with landscaping fabric this year with mulch to
control weeds.

and I am planning on playing with black plastic ground covers for my
tomatoes and peppers. After last year's cool summer, I'm ready to do
some tweaking.

I'm leery of plastic. Landscape fabric is a weed stop, but allows water
and air through.



I get sick of weeding sometimes. g

How strange. Actually, one of my triumphs last year was mulching, and
crowding plants together to create enough shade to suppress weeds. It
worked. Unfortunenately, it also lead to a rapid spread of leaf curl
among the green beans and the tomatoes. This year the tomatoes and beans
will be separated to different ends of the garden and I'll try parsnips
and peppers together.

Why is it strange to get tired of weeding? When the weeds want to
overwhelm the tomato plants...

but then, you don't have Johnson Grass and I don't want to use weed
killers in my edible plant beds.



Gotta feel good about the under dog Giants. They did it the hard way.
Too bad there can only be one winner. Against any other team, except
Green Bay, I would have been rooting for the Patriots.

I have happy co-workers!

Lucky you. The 49ers may have found a quarterback but the rest is doom
and gloom. We have a meddling owner, John York, and a clueless head
coach, Dick Nolan who can't see that his quarterback is injured when it
is obvious to the rest of the world. There is some hope across the Bay
in Oakland though with the Raiders.

Well, it's Basketball season here now, so we root for the spurs. g

And why are you hanging out on tx.guns if it causes you so much angst?
--
Peace, Om
Remove underscore to validate gmails.

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Mark Twain

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Got into my gardening area for about the first time in two weeks
because
the rain has kept me inside. Near giddy with excitement when I saw the
green manure and clover was taking hold. To me that means in about two
months, I can lay down more newsprint, mulch and, start gardening. And
the crowd goes wild.

I'm planning on playing with landscaping fabric this year with mulch to
control weeds.

and I am planning on playing with black plastic ground covers for my
tomatoes and peppers. After last year's cool summer, I'm ready to do
some tweaking.

I'm leery of plastic. Landscape fabric is a weed stop, but allows water
and air through.
Always a pleasure Om. My main concern is warming the soil. Two years
ago, I had twelve 100F + days and the garden responded wonderfully. Last
year, I had two 100F + days and the garden struggled. Basically, I'm
trying to warm the soil as the sunlight doesn't seem to be to different
from year to year. From my cursory browse of the effects of plastic
ground covers, I found two schools that had done the experiments. They
recommended clear plastic until mid-july to mid-August, when they pulled
back the plastic to keep from over heating the soil. Above 91F (33C),
the roots become over heated and reduces yeild. All the other sites,
anecdotally reported the superlative effects of red plastic, putatively
because of reflected red and infrared wave lengths but there was no
clear advantage



I get sick of weeding sometimes. g

How strange. Actually, one of my triumphs last year was mulching, and
crowding plants together to create enough shade to suppress weeds. It
worked. Unfortunenately, it also lead to a rapid spread of leaf curl
among the green beans and the tomatoes. This year the tomatoes and beans
will be separated to different ends of the garden and I'll try parsnips
and peppers together.

Why is it strange to get tired of weeding? When the weeds want to
overwhelm the tomato plants...

I was being facetious, sweety;-) I hate weeding as much as the next
person. I love watering although my drip is much more efficient. My
weeding gets done on a hit and miss basis when I make my rounds of the
garden. My biggest problems have been the spearmint moving into the
lettuce patch, or the peppermint infiltrating last years tomato area, or
the woodruff trying to over whelm the chives and my lavander. As I
mentioned in another post, I'm trying to get my plants to hold hands,
hoping that the shade and mulch will squeeze out the undesired plants.
It worked pretty well last year except for the tomatoes and the green
beans swapping some kind of leaf curl. They are at separate ends of the
garden this year.


but then, you don't have Johnson Grass and I don't want to use weed
killers in my edible plant beds.
I agree completely.



Gotta feel good about the under dog Giants. They did it the hard way.
Too bad there can only be one winner. Against any other team, except
Green Bay, I would have been rooting for the Patriots.

I have happy co-workers!

Lucky you. The 49ers may have found a quarterback but the rest is doom
and gloom. We have a meddling owner, John York, and a clueless head
coach, Dick Nolan who can't see that his quarterback is injured when it
is obvious to the rest of the world. There is some hope across the Bay
in Oakland though with the Raiders.

Well, it's Basketball season here now, so we root for the spurs. g
I dunno, I like watching the kids play basketball but watching grown men
run up and down a court in shorts doesn't spin my wheels. And of course,
it doesn't have to.

And why are you hanging out on tx.guns if it causes you so much angst?
Funny you should mention that. I was told that there was some good
discussions over there, but as the name implies, it's all about people
who like to shoot things and what they like to shoot them with. I have a
gun. I have a hammer. I have a hose but I don't obsess on them. To me
they are just tools. On the other hand, I'm willing to obsess on
gardening, I think it brings out my inner Hobbit.

I was just on my way over to tx.guns and thank them for their
forbearance of an aging California hippie and bow out of further
discussions.

Glad to see you back at wrecked gardens edible.

Go Spurs;-)
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

In article
,
Billy wrote:

and I am planning on playing with black plastic ground covers for my
tomatoes and peppers. After last year's cool summer, I'm ready to do
some tweaking.

I'm leery of plastic. Landscape fabric is a weed stop, but allows water
and air through.

Always a pleasure Om. My main concern is warming the soil. Two years
ago, I had twelve 100F + days and the garden responded wonderfully. Last
year, I had two 100F + days and the garden struggled. Basically, I'm
trying to warm the soil as the sunlight doesn't seem to be to different
from year to year. From my cursory browse of the effects of plastic
ground covers, I found two schools that had done the experiments. They
recommended clear plastic until mid-july to mid-August, when they pulled
back the plastic to keep from over heating the soil. Above 91F (33C),
the roots become over heated and reduces yeild. All the other sites,
anecdotally reported the superlative effects of red plastic, putatively
because of reflected red and infrared wave lengths but there was no
clear advantage

Ok, I see where you are coming from.
Black absorbs the most heat in general so I'd continue with that since
that is your goal.

Landscaping fabric is black also so should warm the soil some, but not
as much. Soil warming is not my goal here. If I'm going to germinate
seeds, I'll do that in the greenhouse under lights.

I tend to cheat tho' and get bedding plants pre-grown since I don't grow
a lot. The water is too expensive. Like I said before, I'll be container
growing my 'maters this year to conserve water.

Why is it strange to get tired of weeding? When the weeds want to
overwhelm the tomato plants...

I was being facetious, sweety;-)

Ah. Missed that. g

I hate weeding as much as the next
person. I love watering although my drip is much more efficient. My
weeding gets done on a hit and miss basis when I make my rounds of the
garden. My biggest problems have been the spearmint moving into the
lettuce patch, or the peppermint infiltrating last years tomato area, or
the woodruff trying to over whelm the chives and my lavander. As I
mentioned in another post, I'm trying to get my plants to hold hands,
hoping that the shade and mulch will squeeze out the undesired plants.
It worked pretty well last year except for the tomatoes and the green
beans swapping some kind of leaf curl. They are at separate ends of the
garden this year.

Hope it works out!

Well, it's Basketball season here now, so we root for the spurs. g

I dunno, I like watching the kids play basketball but watching grown men
run up and down a court in shorts doesn't spin my wheels. And of course,
it doesn't have to.

Oh I generally just catch it on the radio on the way to work at night.
I'm only a luke-warm fan at best, but I have co-workers that are major
fans so it gives me something to talk about with them. Final scores,
various players and such.


And why are you hanging out on tx.guns if it causes you so much angst?

Funny you should mention that. I was told that there was some good
discussions over there, but as the name implies, it's all about people
who like to shoot things and what they like to shoot them with. I have a
gun. I have a hammer. I have a hose but I don't obsess on them. To me
they are just tools. On the other hand, I'm willing to obsess on
gardening, I think it brings out my inner Hobbit.

As it does in all of us! g
Plus, there is nothing on gods green earth like a sun warmed, vine
ripened tomato! There is nothing at all in the stores that is even close
except for maybe those vine tomatoes that sell for twice the price.

I need to put in a sweet 100's this year. Give me something to take to
the nephews during the week once they get going. If I put in two of
them, I'll have cherry tomatoes galore.

Good source of Lycopenes. g


I was just on my way over to tx.guns and thank them for their
forbearance of an aging California hippie and bow out of further
discussions.

I see you went back. ;-)
Some of the political stuff can get pretty interesting. It's one of the
few groups that can at least have civilized discussions (for the most
part anyway) unless it's being cross posted from talk.politics.guns.

That list is a sewer much of the time. :-P

Glad to see you back at wrecked gardens edible.

I'm not posting much anywhere right now. Just been busy with other
things, so my posting volume is way down overall.

Go Spurs;-)

Cheers babe! g I'm off to work here shortly.

TGIF!!!
--
Peace, Om
Remove underscore to validate gmails.

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Mark Twain

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

I'm not posting much anywhere right now. Just been busy with other
things, so my posting volume is way down overall.

Oh my god, you got a life. I feel so shallow;-)

I know, being unemployed at present, I'm probably posting too much but I
only do so when I think I can help, or when I get cranky.

As you probably noticed I'm posting over at ca.politics. I hope that is
Californla and not Canada. I just got some rants that aren't appropriate
for gardening.

There are some good people who post in tx.guns, just like in
ca.politics, and then in both groups, there are those people who seem to
think the world is for them that think their way. As far as I'm
concerned, if I can be in your dream, you can be in mine.

Is there a lot of violent crime in Texas? That would explain the gun
thing. Here in Sonoma County, we have more gang members per capita than
in L.A. but for the most part they fight among themselves, with the
occasional innocent bystander. The Mexican gangs get the most press here
but we have white supremists, Crips & Bloods, and motorcycle gangs as
well. Homicides, though, are unusual outside of Oakland, where there are
gangs, drugs, and a whole lot of hopelessness. A president Obama could
fix a lot of that but I'm still voting Green, because I can, because
California will vote Democratic..

Oh, before I forget, cooking tomatoes makes the lycopene more available
nutritionally. Doesn't taste the same but is healthier to eat.

Hoping to make another run at milk thistle this year. The "Hounds from
Hell" trampled it last year, just like they are doing to the red clover
between the stepping stones this year. The green manure is doing well, I
guess I'll find out how well in about three months.

Black absorbing heat was my thought originally but the two schools that
did the experiment with clear and colored plastic reported better
results with clear. Logic is always based on the premise. If the premise
is wrong . . . .

We, Sonoma County, were asked to conserve water last year. We did so
well that they are raising our rates this year because of a loss of
revenue. I got into trouble, even with my drip.

Been lookin' at the weather maps. Seems like you run 10F ahead of us.
When do you plant?

You probably won't see this until you get off work, so I hope your night
went well and you carried to a relaxing sleep quickly.
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi,
Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

I'm not posting much anywhere right now. Just been busy with other
things, so my posting volume is way down overall.

Oh my god, you got a life. I feel so shallow;-)

giggles
Depends on my mood and the time of year.

BTW, keep in mind that Heybub exists to yank chains...


I know, being unemployed at present, I'm probably posting too much but I
only do so when I think I can help, or when I get cranky.

I understand.
My posting volume often goes up on weekends, and vacations.


As you probably noticed I'm posting over at ca.politics. I hope that is
Californla and not Canada. I just got some rants that aren't appropriate
for gardening.

There are some good people who post in tx.guns, just like in
ca.politics, and then in both groups, there are those people who seem to
think the world is for them that think their way. As far as I'm
concerned, if I can be in your dream, you can be in mine.

Absolutely. Makes for fun reads too!


Is there a lot of violent crime in Texas?

Only since Hurricane Katrina.
That is what prompted me to get my CHL/CCW.

I was not alone...

That would explain the gun
thing. Here in Sonoma County, we have more gang members per capita than
in L.A. but for the most part they fight among themselves, with the
occasional innocent bystander. The Mexican gangs get the most press here
but we have white supremists, Crips & Bloods, and motorcycle gangs as
well. Homicides, though, are unusual outside of Oakland, where there are
gangs, drugs, and a whole lot of hopelessness. A president Obama could
fix a lot of that but I'm still voting Green, because I can, because
California will vote Democratic..

I worry a bit about Obama. If he does get elected (which is likely),
there are PLENTY of white supremacist/hate groups/skinheads that'd be
happy to at least try to take him out. Likely he might end up with a
Darwin award.

But then again, maybe not. The Secret Service is not stupid.

Granted, I don't trust him, but it's not because of his color/race. I
don't trust extreme left liberals in general. I've looked at his beliefs
and turning the US over to the UN is not a good thing. :-(

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas...-for-senate-vo
te/

It's funny. At one time in my life, I thought that a 1 world, global
government would have been a good thing. Maybe we'd finally have peace.
But I have to consider what the price would be.


Oh, before I forget, cooking tomatoes makes the lycopene more available
nutritionally. Doesn't taste the same but is healthier to eat.

Yes. :-) I've looked at that too. It's why I buy tomato paste! And have
been trying to incorporate it into our diets more. It makes a good low
carb thickener and has good flavor. I can get it salt free too.

And Garlic Powder is higher in Allicin than fresh garlic...
It sits better on my stomach too. Either one makes my sweat stink of
sulphur tho'. g


Hoping to make another run at milk thistle this year. The "Hounds from
Hell" trampled it last year, just like they are doing to the red clover
between the stepping stones this year. The green manure is doing well, I
guess I'll find out how well in about three months.

I'm just taking the capsules. g But, I would like to grow a patch.
I'm looking into getting some seeds.


Black absorbing heat was my thought originally but the two schools that
did the experiment with clear and colored plastic reported better
results with clear. Logic is always based on the premise. If the premise
is wrong . . . .

Clear made the soil warmer than black? Really?


We, Sonoma County, were asked to conserve water last year. We did so
well that they are raising our rates this year because of a loss of
revenue. I got into trouble, even with my drip.

I get to pay more for "waste water" too, as well as a higher rate for
water usage after a certain amount.

Frankly, that ****es me off.


Been lookin' at the weather maps. Seems like you run 10F ahead of us.
When do you plant?

First part of April. We are often "surprised" with a mid-March frost.


You probably won't see this until you get off work, so I hope your night
went well and you carried to a relaxing sleep quickly.

And I don't always do e-mail and usenet, even on a Saturday. g Depends
on how tired I am. Sometimes it's more relaxing to just cook a good meal
for dad, watch a movie or two, and get caught up on sleep.
--
Peace, Om
Remove underscore to validate gmails.

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Mark Twain

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

I'm not posting much anywhere right now. Just been busy with other
things, so my posting volume is way down overall.

Oh my god, you got a life. I feel so shallow;-)

giggles
Depends on my mood and the time of year.

BTW, keep in mind that Heybub exists to yank chains...

I shoulda guessed but sometimes he passes for bright.


I know, being unemployed at present, I'm probably posting too much but I
only do so when I think I can help, or when I get cranky.

I understand.
My posting volume often goes up on weekends, and vacations.


As you probably noticed I'm posting over at ca.politics. I hope that is
Californla and not Canada. I just got some rants that aren't appropriate
for gardening.

There are some good people who post in tx.guns, just like in
ca.politics, and then in both groups, there are those people who seem to
think the world is for them that think their way. As far as I'm
concerned, if I can be in your dream, you can be in mine.

Absolutely. Makes for fun reads too!


Is there a lot of violent crime in Texas?

Only since Hurricane Katrina.
That is what prompted me to get my CHL/CCW.

I was not alone...

That would explain the gun
thing. Here in Sonoma County, we have more gang members per capita than
in L.A. but for the most part they fight among themselves, with the
occasional innocent bystander. The Mexican gangs get the most press here
but we have white supremists, Crips & Bloods, and motorcycle gangs as
well. Homicides, though, are unusual outside of Oakland, where there are
gangs, drugs, and a whole lot of hopelessness. A president Obama could
fix a lot of that but I'm still voting Green, because I can, because
California will vote Democratic..

I worry a bit about Obama. If he does get elected (which is likely),
there are PLENTY of white supremacist/hate groups/skinheads that'd be
happy to at least try to take him out. Likely he might end up with a
Darwin award.
I would have thought that after 50 years of Bill Cosby and the
Jeffersons, people would've relaxed.

But then again, maybe not. The Secret Service is not stupid.

Granted, I don't trust him, but it's not because of his color/race. I
don't trust extreme left liberals in general. I've looked at his beliefs
and turning the US over to the UN is not a good thing. :-(

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas...-for-senate-vo
te/

It's funny. At one time in my life, I thought that a 1 world, global
government would have been a good thing. Maybe we'd finally have peace.
But I have to consider what the price would be.

Oh, I dunno, I doubt it would be global government in any meaningful
sense. The members of the UN Security Council can jam-up any UN
initiative, if not, Israel would have been toast long ago. I'm not pro
or con sense I don't know enough but if supplying clean water and water
treatment would keep us from being the enemies in the eyes of the world,
it may not be a bad thing.

The real problem seems to be that the Third World aspires to our life
style. A life style that's not sustainable even for those already in the
First World. The US alone consumes a quarter of the world's energy. For
everyone to have a First World life style, it would increase humanity's
impact on the world by a factor of twelve. Our children's generation
will be the first not to live better than their parents.

In Jarod Diamond's book, "Collapse", he ponders the question, "What was
the man cutting down the last tree on Easter Island thinking"? Half of
the worlds forests have been harvested, and all that that means (loss of
drinking water, top soil, wildlife habitat, rain, clean air), and half
of what remains will be gone by 2036. The wild food from the oceans is
nearly fished out and that protein will have to be replaced by
something. We are rapidly approaching that point when people will say,
"What were they thinking?" The crisis point (2050) is not that far away.


Oh, before I forget, cooking tomatoes makes the lycopene more available
nutritionally. Doesn't taste the same but is healthier to eat.

Yes. :-) I've looked at that too. It's why I buy tomato paste! And have
been trying to incorporate it into our diets more. It makes a good low
carb thickener and has good flavor. I can get it salt free too.

And Garlic Powder is higher in Allicin than fresh garlic...
It sits better on my stomach too. Either one makes my sweat stink of
sulphur tho'. g
I didn't know that about garlic powder. Any idea why it would be higher?

Your new to marketing aren't you?


Hoping to make another run at milk thistle this year. The "Hounds from
Hell" trampled it last year, just like they are doing to the red clover
between the stepping stones this year. The green manure is doing well, I
guess I'll find out how well in about three months.

I'm just taking the capsules. g But, I would like to grow a patch.
I'm looking into getting some seeds.


Black absorbing heat was my thought originally but the two schools that
did the experiment with clear and colored plastic reported better
results with clear. Logic is always based on the premise. If the premise
is wrong . . . .

Clear made the soil warmer than black? Really?

I was surprised too. Check
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~taber...pt%2000/redmul
ch.pdf

http://lubbock.tamu.edu/horticulture...sticMulchTypeo
nTomatoGrowthandYield_2004_.pdf



We, Sonoma County, were asked to conserve water last year. We did so
well that they are raising our rates this year because of a loss of
revenue. I got into trouble, even with my drip.

I get to pay more for "waste water" too, as well as a higher rate for
water usage after a certain amount.

Frankly, that ****es me off.
Now that's counter productive;-)


Been lookin' at the weather maps. Seems like you run 10F ahead of us.
When do you plant?

First part of April. We are often "surprised" with a mid-March frost.

Map changed today, you're 20 F warmer.


You probably won't see this until you get off work, so I hope your night
went well and you carried to a relaxing sleep quickly.

And I don't always do e-mail and usenet, even on a Saturday. g Depends
on how tired I am. Sometimes it's more relaxing to just cook a good meal
for dad, watch a movie or two, and get caught up on sleep.

I like cooking as well. Fortunately, we are already used to eating late.

hasta luego,
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi
Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

In article
,
Billy wrote:


BTW, keep in mind that Heybub exists to yank chains...

I shoulda guessed but sometimes he passes for bright.

He actually is very bright.
That's what makes him so good at it. g
He's the list clown but he sometimes says stuff that will tick off even
the most patient of people. Deliberately.

It's funny. At one time in my life, I thought that a 1 world, global
government would have been a good thing. Maybe we'd finally have peace.
But I have to consider what the price would be.

Oh, I dunno, I doubt it would be global government in any meaningful
sense. The members of the UN Security Council can jam-up any UN
initiative, if not, Israel would have been toast long ago. I'm not pro
or con sense I don't know enough but if supplying clean water and water
treatment would keep us from being the enemies in the eyes of the world,
it may not be a bad thing.

Oh I'd love to see a decent standard of living world wide, but the
corruption of various third world country governments seems to prevent
that. Mexico could be one of the wealthiest countries in the world, AND
be the breadbasket of the world with their climate and workforce! Many
of the out of season veggies we've been getting here are from Mexico.
It's been nice to once again enjoy Avocados for $.25 each.


The real problem seems to be that the Third World aspires to our life
style. A life style that's not sustainable even for those already in the
First World. The US alone consumes a quarter of the world's energy. For
everyone to have a First World life style, it would increase humanity's
impact on the world by a factor of twelve. Our children's generation
will be the first not to live better than their parents.

Depends on our energy sources. So long as we are dependent on fossil
fuels, that will continue to be an issue.

The oil cartels have a stranglehold on the world economy.


In Jarod Diamond's book, "Collapse", he ponders the question, "What was
the man cutting down the last tree on Easter Island thinking"? Half of
the worlds forests have been harvested, and all that that means (loss of
drinking water, top soil, wildlife habitat, rain, clean air), and half
of what remains will be gone by 2036. The wild food from the oceans is
nearly fished out and that protein will have to be replaced by
something. We are rapidly approaching that point when people will say,
"What were they thinking?" The crisis point (2050) is not that far away.

I won't disagree...

Oh, before I forget, cooking tomatoes makes the lycopene more available
nutritionally. Doesn't taste the same but is healthier to eat.

Yes. :-) I've looked at that too. It's why I buy tomato paste! And have
been trying to incorporate it into our diets more. It makes a good low
carb thickener and has good flavor. I can get it salt free too.

And Garlic Powder is higher in Allicin than fresh garlic...
It sits better on my stomach too. Either one makes my sweat stink of
sulphur tho'. g
I didn't know that about garlic powder. Any idea why it would be higher?

It's concentrated and the drying process does not destroy the Allicin.
I suppose I could google for a cite, but I do remember reading it
somewhere, just not where.


Your new to marketing aren't you?

Not really. ;-)
What makes you say that?

Clear made the soil warmer than black? Really?

I was surprised too. Check
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~taber...pt%2000/redmul
ch.pdf

http://lubbock.tamu.edu/horticulture...sticMulchTypeo
nTomatoGrowthandYield_2004_.pdf

Fascinating! I'm guessing the increased spectrum might have something
to do with it.

Been lookin' at the weather maps. Seems like you run 10F ahead of us.
When do you plant?

First part of April. We are often "surprised" with a mid-March frost.

Map changed today, you're 20 F warmer.

It's in the 40's outside right now. We are running the furnace, but I
have my bedroom window open. I like it cooler in the house than dad
does. But, he _is_ 75. I'm just glad that he was willing to move back
in with me. I don't want him living alone any more. We can work with the
thermostat wars. g

You probably won't see this until you get off work, so I hope your night
went well and you carried to a relaxing sleep quickly.

And I don't always do e-mail and usenet, even on a Saturday. g Depends
on how tired I am. Sometimes it's more relaxing to just cook a good meal
for dad, watch a movie or two, and get caught up on sleep.

I like cooking as well. Fortunately, we are already used to eating late.

I eat when I get hungry. Generally twice per day altho' if I'm really
busy, I may only eat once when I settle in for the evening...

hasta luego,

Buenos Dias.
--
Peace, Om
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Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:


Oh I'd love to see a decent standard of living world wide, but the
corruption of various third world country governments seems to prevent
that. Mexico could be one of the wealthiest countries in the world, AND
be the breadbasket of the world with their climate and workforce! Many
of the out of season veggies we've been getting here are from Mexico.
It's been nice to once again enjoy Avocados for $.25 each.

$.89 he-(


The real problem seems to be that the Third World aspires to our life
style. A life style that's not sustainable even for those already in the
First World. The US alone consumes a quarter of the world's energy. For
everyone to have a First World life style, it would increase humanity's
impact on the world by a factor of twelve. Our children's generation
will be the first not to live better than their parents.

Depends on our energy sources. So long as we are dependent on fossil
fuels, that will continue to be an issue.

The oil cartels have a stranglehold on the world economy.

It's not the fossil fuel, which is supposed to reach its' peak in 2030
and isn't sustainable in any event. It's the unsustainable consumption
of natural resources which will increase as the 2.8 billion people who
live on $2/day and others in the Third World aspire to first world
living standards. The poorest countries are the most overpopulated.

In Jarod Diamond's book, "Collapse", he ponders the question, "What was
the man cutting down the last tree on Easter Island thinking"? Half of
the worlds forests have been harvested, and all that that means (loss of
drinking water, top soil, wildlife habitat, rain, clean air), and half
of what remains will be gone by 2036. The wild food from the oceans is
nearly fished out and that protein will have to be replaced by
something. We are rapidly approaching that point when people will say,
"What were they thinking?" The crisis point (2050) is not that far away.

I won't disagree...

Oh, before I forget, cooking tomatoes makes the lycopene more available
nutritionally. Doesn't taste the same but is healthier to eat.

Yes. :-) I've looked at that too. It's why I buy tomato paste! And have
been trying to incorporate it into our diets more. It makes a good low
carb thickener and has good flavor. I can get it salt free too.

And Garlic Powder is higher in Allicin than fresh garlic...
It sits better on my stomach too. Either one makes my sweat stink of
sulphur tho'. g
I didn't know that about garlic powder. Any idea why it would be higher?

It's concentrated and the drying process does not destroy the Allicin.
I suppose I could google for a cite, but I do remember reading it
somewhere, just not where.


Your new to marketing aren't you?

Not really. ;-)
What makes you say that?

"And Garlic Powder is higher in Allicin than fresh garlic... Either one
makes my sweat stink of sulphur tho'."
- Om

In this day and age of self-promotion, when everybody is walking around
with portfolios to hype themselves, a more appropriate response would
have been,"It gives my skin the scent of lavender and the taste of
raspberries";-)

Among winemakers, pinot noir often is attributed with having a "barnyard
odor" but that descriptor isn't used in advertising.


Clear made the soil warmer than black? Really?

I was surprised too. Check
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~taber...pt%2000/redmul
ch.pdf

http://lubbock.tamu.edu/horticulture...sticMulchTypeo
nTomatoGrowthandYield_2004_.pdf

Fascinating! I'm guessing the increased spectrum might have something
to do with it.

Been lookin' at the weather maps. Seems like you run 10F ahead of us.
When do you plant?

First part of April. We are often "surprised" with a mid-March frost.

Map changed today, you're 20 F warmer.

Aak. Today we're the same. Fired up the barbecue yesterday. First time
since Thanksgiving. Only cooked chicken and sausages over hickory chips.
My god it smelled good and tasted even better. It's been a long winter
and our taste buds were more than ready. The "Hounds from Hell" and four
of the five cats were totally bummed. No bones. Randy, the old man of
the felines got a few scraps but he wasn't satisfied. Tonight we gotta
do some ribs or our companions will find some way to show their
dissatisfaction. Ribs here are a much anticipated summer staple for
saturday nights, which attracts all our little four footed friends
around the barbecue.

It's in the 40's outside right now. We are running the furnace, but I
have my bedroom window open. I like it cooler in the house than dad
does. But, he _is_ 75. I'm just glad that he was willing to move back
in with me. I don't want him living alone any more. We can work with the
thermostat wars. g

We are down to a fire in the morning which keeps the house warm all day.

You probably won't see this until you get off work, so I hope your
night
went well and you carried to a relaxing sleep quickly.

And I don't always do e-mail and usenet, even on a Saturday. g Depends
on how tired I am. Sometimes it's more relaxing to just cook a good meal
for dad, watch a movie or two, and get caught up on sleep.

I like cooking as well. Fortunately, we are already used to eating late.

I eat when I get hungry. Generally twice per day altho' if I'm really
busy, I may only eat once when I settle in for the evening...

Setting down to the table for dinner is important for us, it's not a
hard and fast rule, but it is our standard.

I know you have an awkward schedule which probably makes it too
difficult to do. Are you swing or graveyard?
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi
Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Many
of the out of season veggies we've been getting here are from Mexico.
It's been nice to once again enjoy Avocados for $.25 each.

$.89 he-(

They do get that high sometimes, but they've been 4/$1.00 now for a good
couple of months. Nice decent Haas too.

The oil cartels have a stranglehold on the world economy.

It's not the fossil fuel, which is supposed to reach its' peak in 2030
and isn't sustainable in any event. It's the unsustainable consumption
of natural resources which will increase as the 2.8 billion people who
live on $2/day and others in the Third World aspire to first world
living standards. The poorest countries are the most overpopulated.

Yes. The higher the education level, the fewer kids born. It's kinda
scary actually.
Your new to marketing aren't you?

Not really. ;-)
What makes you say that?

"And Garlic Powder is higher in Allicin than fresh garlic... Either one
makes my sweat stink of sulphur tho'."
- Om

In this day and age of self-promotion, when everybody is walking around
with portfolios to hype themselves, a more appropriate response would
have been,"It gives my skin the scent of lavender and the taste of
raspberries";-)

lol Ok! I was not trying to market it per se'.
I personally don't mind the smell of garlic (when dad hits it heavy, I
can smell him when I walk into his room) but many find it to be
offensive.


Among winemakers, pinot noir often is attributed with having a "barnyard
odor" but that descriptor isn't used in advertising.

;-)

Aak. Today we're the same. Fired up the barbecue yesterday. First time
since Thanksgiving. Only cooked chicken and sausages over hickory chips.
My god it smelled good and tasted even better. It's been a long winter
and our taste buds were more than ready. The "Hounds from Hell" and four
of the five cats were totally bummed. No bones. Randy, the old man of
the felines got a few scraps but he wasn't satisfied. Tonight we gotta
do some ribs or our companions will find some way to show their
dissatisfaction. Ribs here are a much anticipated summer staple for
saturday nights, which attracts all our little four footed friends
around the barbecue.

Man. I've not BBQ'd in ages. I need to do it soon. I bought those racks
of beef ribs for $.69 per lb. a couple of weeks ago. I'll follow the
instructions and braise/roast them first, then finish them off in the
BBQ with some mesquite. ;-d

It was 34 degrees here this morning btw.


It's in the 40's outside right now. We are running the furnace, but I
have my bedroom window open. I like it cooler in the house than dad
does. But, he _is_ 75. I'm just glad that he was willing to move back
in with me. I don't want him living alone any more. We can work with the
thermostat wars. g

We are down to a fire in the morning which keeps the house warm all day.

I don't have a fire place.

I eat when I get hungry. Generally twice per day altho' if I'm really
busy, I may only eat once when I settle in for the evening...

Setting down to the table for dinner is important for us, it's not a
hard and fast rule, but it is our standard.

But all there is is me and my dad. :-) We sometimes sit down and eat
lunch together, but most of the time we snack/eat when we get hungry.


I know you have an awkward schedule which probably makes it too
difficult to do. Are you swing or graveyard?

Graveyard. 22:00 to 06:30.
--
Peace, Om
Remove underscore to validate gmails.

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Mark Twain

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Many
of the out of season veggies we've been getting here are from Mexico.
It's been nice to once again enjoy Avocados for $.25 each.

$.89 he-(

They do get that high sometimes, but they've been 4/$1.00 now for a good
couple of months. Nice decent Haas too.
Had been having some problems with avocados and dark spots in them but
that hasn't been a problem lately. Artichokes are coming in here as
well, although they have a papery feel on the outside, they are still
good for eating. Priced dropped from $1.50 each to $.99 each in the last
week.

The oil cartels have a stranglehold on the world economy.

It's not the fossil fuel, which is supposed to reach its' peak in 2030
and isn't sustainable in any event. It's the unsustainable consumption
of natural resources which will increase as the 2.8 billion people who
live on $2/day and others in the Third World aspire to first world
living standards. The poorest countries are the most overpopulated.

Yes. The higher the education level, the fewer kids born. It's kinda
scary actually.
I thought it was affluence. Large families were once necessary to have
heirs that would survive infant mortality and to have a labor force for
subsistence farming. Once they had a comfortable life, they reduced
their number of children.
Your new to marketing aren't you?

Not really. ;-)
What makes you say that?

"And Garlic Powder is higher in Allicin than fresh garlic... Either one
makes my sweat stink of sulphur tho'."
- Om

In this day and age of self-promotion, when everybody is walking around
with portfolios to hype themselves, a more appropriate response would
have been,"It gives my skin the scent of lavender and the taste of
raspberries";-)

lol Ok! I was not trying to market it per se'.
My mom came from an old colonialist family that moved from Maryland to
New Brunswick when the American colonies seceded from England. I'm
afraid she ingrained into me the old English habits of understatement
and modesty that are at such cross-purposes with todays culture where
everyone is required to wear a sandwich board saying, "I'm the best".

I personally don't mind the smell of garlic (when dad hits it heavy, I
can smell him when I walk into his room) but many find it to be
offensive.
It's good for avoiding colds. People won't get close enough to be
contagious to you;-)


Among winemakers, pinot noir often is attributed with having a "barnyard
odor" but that descriptor isn't used in advertising.

;-)

Aak. Today we're the same. Fired up the barbecue yesterday. First time
since Thanksgiving. Only cooked chicken and sausages over hickory chips.
My god it smelled good and tasted even better. It's been a long winter
and our taste buds were more than ready. The "Hounds from Hell" and four
of the five cats were totally bummed. No bones. Randy, the old man of
the felines got a few scraps but he wasn't satisfied. Tonight we gotta
do some ribs or our companions will find some way to show their
dissatisfaction. Ribs here are a much anticipated summer staple for
saturday nights, which attracts all our little four footed friends
around the barbecue.
Yesterday, I took a longer nap than I had expected. Late getting the
barbecue up and cooking. It's a new Weber (last Fall) and I didn't have
it shut down enough, and to make a long story short, the pork ribs
cooked too quickly. They were still nice and smokey, just not falling
off the bones good. The kids (Lilly & Beau, and the cats that our
daughters have bequeathed to us, Randy, Figaro, Buddy, Misty, and
Willow) didn't seem to mind. Good time had by one and all.

Man. I've not BBQ'd in ages. I need to do it soon. I bought those racks
of beef ribs for $.69 per lb. a couple of weeks ago. I'll follow the
instructions and braise/roast them first, then finish them off in the
BBQ with some mesquite. ;-d
A German friend never had beef ribs before visiting the States. He went
bonkers over them.

It was 34 degrees here this morning btw.

Same here yesterday 72/34 F. Good season to catch a cold.

It's in the 40's outside right now. We are running the furnace, but I
have my bedroom window open. I like it cooler in the house than dad
does. But, he _is_ 75. I'm just glad that he was willing to move back
in with me. I don't want him living alone any more. We can work with the
thermostat wars. g

We are down to a fire in the morning which keeps the house warm all day.

I don't have a fire place.
The smell of a wood smoke is one of my seasonal treasures.

I eat when I get hungry.
I "think" that is part of Zen wisdom. Eat when you are hungry. Sleep
when you are tired. Smile when you are happy.
Generally twice per day altho' if I'm really
busy, I may only eat once when I settle in for the evening...

Setting down to the table for dinner is important for us, it's not a
hard and fast rule, but it is our standard.

But all there is is me and my dad. :-) We sometimes sit down and eat
lunch together, but most of the time we snack/eat when we get hungry.

I think I really got addicted to "sit downs" in France where a typical
restaurant lunch ($12 before Bush screwed up the $) with five courses,
will last an hour and a half. I was stunned that I could carry on an
original conversation with someone I've known for thirty years. It's
still a good way to talk about things that never get mentioned in
passing.

I know you have an awkward schedule which probably makes it too
difficult to do. Are you swing or graveyard?

Graveyard. 22:00 to 06:30.

I love sunrises. It's like before the show and everything is quiet.

Totally tangential to all the above. Look for a French movie, Le Bal. It
follows French music from the 30s to the 70s using a repertoire cast.
There isn't any conversation, so you don't need to know any French. A
few French I've talked to think it makes the French look stupid. I think
it just makes them look human.

My cabbage and lettuce has germinated, so here I go again. Next month
I'll start the really important stuff.

Have a good one:-)
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi
Bush & Cheney to the Hague
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