We have moles in our lawn & garden and wonder if there is a way to
get rid of them without trapping & killing them. I know they eat grubs etc
in the soil and I have used products to rid the soil of grubs, but it
needs to be applied during the summer months. Has anyone had success
getting rid of them in the spring. Another question, do June bugs have
anything to do with grubs. I know they lay thousands of eggs and wonder
what they develop into. I have been told that the Japanese Beetles lay
the larvae for grubs, but I am not sure about that. Any help in this area
would be appreciated.

June bugs have larvae very similar to Japanese beetles, but larger. There is a
wasp that kills both grubs, they are for sale, but horrendously expensive, but
you can encourage them with plantings of forsythia, tulip poplar trees, peonies
and firethorn. Incidentally the wasps look just like winged carpenter ants, so
be careful what you are killing.

You can spray a mixture of castor oil and water blended with a little dish
detergent into the mole runs and see if that gets rid of them. or spray a little
of the castor oil on the lawn.

susan

Susan E Desjardins wrote:

We have moles in our lawn & garden and wonder if there is a way to
get rid of them without trapping & killing them. I know they eat grubs etc
in the soil and I have used products to rid the soil of grubs, but it
needs to be applied during the summer months. Has anyone had success
getting rid of them in the spring. Another question, do June bugs have
anything to do with grubs. I know they lay thousands of eggs and wonder
what they develop into. I have been told that the Japanese Beetles lay
the larvae for grubs, but I am not sure about that. Any help in this area
would be appreciated.

(Susan E Desjardins) wrote in
:

We have moles in our lawn & garden and wonder if there is a way to
get rid of them without trapping & killing them. I know they eat grubs

They also aerate the lawn. Since they don't eat your veggies and they help
the lawn, why would you want to get rid of them?

FWIW, our dogs like to dig them up.

Bob
Zone 7

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:12:02 GMT, bob
jwx1.deleteThis@bellsouthnet wrote:

(Susan E Desjardins) wrote in
:

We have moles in our lawn & garden and wonder if there is a way to
get rid of them without trapping & killing them. I know they eat grubs

They also aerate the lawn. Since they don't eat your veggies and they help
the lawn, why would you want to get rid of them?


We have a mole-control specialist here. She's very
dedicated to her work and very successful.

She's also become very good at controlling voles - GOOD
girl!

She says 'Meow, meow'.

Pat
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Pat Meadows writes:

Pat On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:12:02 GMT, bob
jwx1.deleteThis@bellsouthnet wrote:

(Susan E Desjardins) wrote in
news :

We have moles in our lawn & garden and wonder if there is a way to
get rid of them without trapping & killing them. I know they eat grubs

They also aerate the lawn. Since they don't eat your veggies and they help
the lawn, why would you want to get rid of them?


Pat We have a mole-control specialist here. She's very
Pat dedicated to her work and very successful.

Pat She's also become very good at controlling voles - GOOD
Pat girl!

Pat She says 'Meow, meow'.

We did too, a very active girl. But, sadly, she is no
longer on the top of the food chain in our densely populated
area, a coyote killed her 10 yards from our house. So much
for kitty control.


--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in rec.gardens.edible...)

On 13 Mar 2003 15:39:20 -0500,
wrote:


We did too, a very active girl. But, sadly, she is no
longer on the top of the food chain in our densely populated
area, a coyote killed her 10 yards from our house. So much
for kitty control.

Sorry to hear it. There are coyotes in our general area,
but no one has seen them as close to town as we live. We're
in Pennsylvania, and coyotes have moved eastwards, as you
probably know, but they're certainly not as common as they
are in the west.

Ms. Katycat comes in every day at 3:30 pm - dinner time for
her - and she spends her nights indoors. Always.

So we have hopes this will help with the coyote situation.
So far, so good. Fingers crossed.

I'm actually more worried about cars, but our road is very
quiet and she seems to run away whenever a car goes by, so
this is good.

Pat
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United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/
International: http://www.thehungersite.com/

The acknowledged experts on moles is at http://www.themoleman.com/

Everything you ever wanted to know about moles and more.

Traps are the best option, once you read the information on where the traps
need to be. I've used a combination of traps and mutual acceptance.

"Susan E Desjardins" wrote in message
...
We have moles in our lawn & garden and wonder if there is a way to
get rid of them without trapping & killing them. I know they eat grubs etc
in the soil and I have used products to rid the soil of grubs, but it
needs to be applied during the summer months. Has anyone had success
getting rid of them in the spring. Another question, do June bugs have
anything to do with grubs. I know they lay thousands of eggs and wonder
what they develop into. I have been told that the Japanese Beetles lay
the larvae for grubs, but I am not sure about that. Any help in this area
would be appreciated.

...
(Susan E Desjardins) wrote in

We have moles in our lawn & garden and wonder if there is a way to
get rid of them without trapping & killing them. I know they eat grubs

"bob" wrote in message

They also aerate the lawn. Since they don't eat your veggies and they help
the lawn, why would you want to get rid of them?

If you had good infestation, you would know . Their trails ruin your yard,
leaving uneven, possably dangerous ( trip hazard) ground. Three out of the
past seven years, we have had yellowjackets move into their holes. My wife
has a knack for finding the nest while mowing in her shorts, good thing she
is not allergic to them. I know how to get rid of yellow jackets, but I
would realy like an answer to the moles. I have tried: drowning them, baits,
traps, chewing gum, blackpowder and pyrodex, tobacco, various others. I am
open to new suggestions.

FWIW, our dogs like to dig them up.

Bob
Zone 7
So do our Labs, that explains why they don't survive in the backyard,( but
thats a hole story. You know Labs don't necesarily kill what they get.
Which makes a night interesting, when your wife tells them to give what is
in their mouth, and its a live mole. Once the excitement abates, a flush
takes care of the problem. Len

"Pat Meadows" wrote in message
...
On 13 Mar 2003 15:39:20 -0500,
wrote:


We did too, a very active girl. But, sadly, she is no
longer on the top of the food chain in our densely populated
area, a coyote killed her 10 yards from our house. So much
for kitty control.

Sorry to hear it. There are coyotes in our general area,
but no one has seen them as close to town as we live. We're
in Pennsylvania, and coyotes have moved eastwards, as you
probably know, but they're certainly not as common as they
are in the west.

Ms. Katycat comes in every day at 3:30 pm - dinner time for
her - and she spends her nights indoors. Always.

So we have hopes this will help with the coyote situation.
So far, so good. Fingers crossed.

I'm actually more worried about cars, but our road is very
quiet and she seems to run away whenever a car goes by, so
this is good.

Pat
--
Coyotes, Now that is a problem, probably much worse than african bees. 20 or
some years ago we were living in the Adirondak north country, and coyotes
were starting to move in, the locals called them coydogs.The first human
response to a problem, is denial. They were not dogs at all. They don't just
kill cats, but most anything. My father-in- law had about 150 acres in
pasture, within a mile of Canada. He also had a border colley newfoundland
mixed dog. In april 1979, the dog came in from his nightly patrol, damn near
mortaly wounded. They nursed him back to health for about 2 months. Then,
they let him go back out, he was never seen again. Now, at that time, the
local news were reporting of how coyotes were migrating around the great
lakes. The guys I hunted with were telling of coydogs. In late July, I was
sitting on my father-in -laws porch with him, on a moonlit night, listening
to a pack of coyotes in the distance. I told my father-in law, that I
thought it was those coyotes that killed his dog. He said, he thought that
they were stray dogs. At that time, that was not reasonable, there just was
not enough dog/ people population to support it.

Now, lets fast forward a few decades. A few weeks ago, a man was bitten, by
a rabid coyote, in Virginia. The incident occured just west of Williamsburg
Va..

Now ther are few points here. Number one, is that these animals are
migrating, seeking to fill a void. Two , its not a good thing. Len

I got on the internet and looked up "get rid of moles" and found out that
there is a "white" powder that introduces a bacteria into the soil that
kills the grubs. You just sprinkle it around the yard. It is supposed to
leave earthworms alone and isn't harmful to pets or people.

It takes a couple of years to become 100 percent effective and lasts for 20
years. While the grubs are gone, so are the moles. Sorry but I dont
remember the name of it, but the word "white" is used in its name. Dwayne

"Tim B" wrote in message
...
The acknowledged experts on moles is at http://www.themoleman.com/

Everything you ever wanted to know about moles and more.

Traps are the best option, once you read the information on where the
traps
need to be. I've used a combination of traps and mutual acceptance.

"Susan E Desjardins" wrote in message
...
We have moles in our lawn & garden and wonder if there is a way to
get rid of them without trapping & killing them. I know they eat grubs
etc
in the soil and I have used products to rid the soil of grubs, but it
needs to be applied during the summer months. Has anyone had success
getting rid of them in the spring. Another question, do June bugs have
anything to do with grubs. I know they lay thousands of eggs and wonder
what they develop into. I have been told that the Japanese Beetles lay
the larvae for grubs, but I am not sure about that. Any help in this
area
would be appreciated.

"Susan E Desjardins" wrote in message
...
We have moles in our lawn & garden and wonder if there is a way to
get rid of them without trapping & killing them.

Moles and voles can really dig up a yard bad and eat out flower bulbs. You
can try putting moth balls at the mouth of one of their tunnels running
along the top of the ground ... or just open up the tunnel and drop one in
ever so often down the line of the tunnel. Moth balls are good for
discouraging skunks, cats, and mosquitoes too.

Genevieve in Mississipppi

Pat Meadows writes:

Pat On 13 Mar 2003 15:39:20 -0500,
wrote


We did too, a very active girl. But, sadly, she is no
longer on the top of the food chain in our densely populated
area, a coyote killed her 10 yards from our house. So much
for kitty control.

Pat Sorry to hear it. There are coyotes in our general area,
Pat but no one has seen them as close to town as we live. We're

We are 100 yards from town center, and five miles from
downtown Boston.

Pat in Pennsylvania, and coyotes have moved eastwards, as you
Pat probably know, but they're certainly not as common as they
Pat are in the west.

Pat Ms. Katycat comes in every day at 3:30 pm - dinner time for
Pat her - and she spends her nights indoors. Always.

Good, they are safer from coyotes in daylight, not safe,
but safer. That is too bad, as our cat got a lot of
pesky rabbits at dawn and dusk.

Pat So we have hopes this will help with the coyote situation.
Pat So far, so good. Fingers crossed.

Pat I'm actually more worried about cars, but our road is very
Pat quiet and she seems to run away whenever a car goes by, so
Pat this is good.

Most of them are pretty smart about cars. Coyotes are smart
about hunting cats (wait until they are too far from a tree...).



--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in rec.gardens.edible...)

len wrote:

Now ther are few points here. Number one, is that these animals are
migrating, seeking to fill a void. Two , its not a good thing. Len

Actually, they are returning in many areas, not migrating. Overdevelopment
compounds the problem by removing natural habitat.

And, like most things there are good with the bad. The good is that coyotes
tend to keep the rodent population well in check. The bad news is that pets are
also included on the menu.

The cats that get it first are those that are dog friendly. We've never had a
dog so our cats are extremely suspicious of dogs. That is the main thing that
keeps them from being coyote bait. I used to keep my cats in at night but that
proved to be futile with cat doors. We even built our own wooden doors that
close over the plastic doors and they latch with eye hooks tightly seated. Not
only can the cats open that to go outside, they can even somehow manage to open
it from the outside (eye hooks are on the inside). So, I gave up and figured
that they'd have to take their chances.

As far as dogs, I think you just have to keep them in.

Also, a motion detector security light helps. Coyotes, being very wily, tend to
avoid areas with light. I watched one in the backyard one night. I got a phone
call just as I came in so I hadn't yet turned the lights off. While I was on
the phone I saw an oppossum wander thru. Right behind him was a coyote but
while the 'possum wandered right thru the light, the coyote refused to come into
the lighted area, preferring to just hang out at the edge waiting for the
'possum.

They don't bother the larger animals. Actually, the horses find canine hockey
quite amusing.

Mary

Ours ran, too, but one got him 2 days before Christmas and we still aren't over
it.

susan

Pat Meadows wrote:

I'm actually more worried about cars, but our road is very

quiet and she seems to run away whenever a car goes by, so
this is good.

Pat
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United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/
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the name of it is Milky Spore, and we did it years ago and it really helped the
grub problem, but we do still have some moles.

susan

Dwayne wrote:

I got on the internet and looked up "get rid of moles" and found out that
there is a "white" powder that introduces a bacteria into the soil that
kills the grubs. You just sprinkle it around the yard. It is supposed to
leave earthworms alone and isn't harmful to pets or people.

It takes a couple of years to become 100 percent effective and lasts for 20
years. While the grubs are gone, so are the moles. Sorry but I dont
remember the name of it, but the word "white" is used in its name. Dwayne

"Tim B" wrote in message
...
The acknowledged experts on moles is at http://www.themoleman.com/

Everything you ever wanted to know about moles and more.

Traps are the best option, once you read the information on where the
traps
need to be. I've used a combination of traps and mutual acceptance.

"Susan E Desjardins" wrote in message
...
We have moles in our lawn & garden and wonder if there is a way to
get rid of them without trapping & killing them. I know they eat grubs
etc
in the soil and I have used products to rid the soil of grubs, but it
needs to be applied during the summer months. Has anyone had success
getting rid of them in the spring. Another question, do June bugs have
anything to do with grubs. I know they lay thousands of eggs and wonder
what they develop into. I have been told that the Japanese Beetles lay
the larvae for grubs, but I am not sure about that. Any help in this
area
would be appreciated.