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09-12-2004, 12:07 AM
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On 8 Dec 2004 at 17:06, Ed Spaans wrote:
In a message dated 12/8/2004 2:39:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Second, Your goat did what you should do this time of year -- remove the end buds from the branches. Next year you should have better ramification. Is this a generally suggested treatment for bonsai or does it only apply to Am hornbeam as the original author suggested? Well, using a goat to do it IS a bit unorthodox, but most (or at least many) deciduous species will benefit from having terminal buds removed over the winter. The "liberates" the auxiliary buds behind it. Results include smaller leaves and more ramification. For best results, only remove the BUD, because the auxiliaries are immediately behind the terminal bud. The goat, no doubt, overdid it. That will work too, but it is the next buds back on the branch that will benefit in that case. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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10-12-2004, 01:06 AM
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Jim Lewis wrote:
Well, using a goat to do it IS a bit unorthodox, but most (or at least many) deciduous species will benefit from having terminal buds removed over the winter. The "liberates" the auxiliary buds behind it. Results include smaller leaves and more ramification. Actually the have made some studies here in Sweden on trees nibbled by animals and other by mechanical means like pruners. It was found that the trees nibbed by animals budded back much more. It is unknown what causes this, the way they nibble or maybe an reaction to the saliva. Maybe in the near future you will be able to buy syntetic saliva to increase the bud back, maybe the Super thrive people will have a go-at it ;-). Henrik Gistvall, Uppsala, Sweden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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10-12-2004, 01:06 AM
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Jim Lewis wrote:
Well, using a goat to do it IS a bit unorthodox, but most (or at least many) deciduous species will benefit from having terminal buds removed over the winter. The "liberates" the auxiliary buds behind it. Results include smaller leaves and more ramification. Actually the have made some studies here in Sweden on trees nibbled by animals and other by mechanical means like pruners. It was found that the trees nibbed by animals budded back much more. It is unknown what causes this, the way they nibble or maybe an reaction to the saliva. Maybe in the near future you will be able to buy syntetic saliva to increase the bud back, maybe the Super thrive people will have a go-at it ;-). Henrik Gistvall, Uppsala, Sweden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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10-12-2004, 03:20 AM
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On 10 Dec 2004 at 1:09, Henrik Gistvall wrote:
Jim Lewis wrote: Well, using a goat to do it IS a bit unorthodox, but most (or at least many) deciduous species will benefit from having terminal buds removed over the winter. The "liberates" the auxiliary buds behind it. Results include smaller leaves and more ramification. Actually the have made some studies here in Sweden on trees nibbled by animals and other by mechanical means like pruners. It was found that the trees nibbed by animals budded back much more. It is unknown what causes this, the way they nibble or maybe an reaction to the saliva. Maybe in the near future you will be able to buy syntetic saliva to increase the bud back, maybe the Super thrive people will have a go-at it ;-). DANG! The secret's out! Goat saliva! No wonder it (Superthrive) smells so bad. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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10-12-2004, 03:28 AM
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Henrik - I will donate my saliva free of charge.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Henrik Gistvall" To: Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: [IBC] I know but this is different..goat ate bonsai Jim Lewis wrote: Well, using a goat to do it IS a bit unorthodox, but most (or at least many) deciduous species will benefit from having terminal buds removed over the winter. The "liberates" the auxiliary buds behind it. Results include smaller leaves and more ramification. Actually the have made some studies here in Sweden on trees nibbled by animals and other by mechanical means like pruners. It was found that the trees nibbed by animals budded back much more. It is unknown what causes this, the way they nibble or maybe an reaction to the saliva. Maybe in the near future you will be able to buy syntetic saliva to increase the bud back, maybe the Super thrive people will have a go-at it ;-). Henrik Gistvall, Uppsala, Sweden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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10-12-2004, 03:28 AM
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Henrik - I will donate my saliva free of charge.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Henrik Gistvall" To: Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: [IBC] I know but this is different..goat ate bonsai Jim Lewis wrote: Well, using a goat to do it IS a bit unorthodox, but most (or at least many) deciduous species will benefit from having terminal buds removed over the winter. The "liberates" the auxiliary buds behind it. Results include smaller leaves and more ramification. Actually the have made some studies here in Sweden on trees nibbled by animals and other by mechanical means like pruners. It was found that the trees nibbed by animals budded back much more. It is unknown what causes this, the way they nibble or maybe an reaction to the saliva. Maybe in the near future you will be able to buy syntetic saliva to increase the bud back, maybe the Super thrive people will have a go-at it ;-). Henrik Gistvall, Uppsala, Sweden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#8
11-12-2004, 02:42 AM
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In a message dated 12/10/2004 9:19:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: It was found that the trees nibbed by animals budded back much more. It is unknown what causes this, the way they nibble or maybe a reaction to the saliva. I suspect it was more in the way the cut is made. When we prune we strive for the cleanest cut possible, but the animal crushes the stem as it bites. There are usually two types of pruners available, the cross cut and anvil. I suspect that most of us use bonsai cutters or cross cut pruners that make a clean cut. But the anvil might work better if we want backbudding because it crushes more stem. I think rose growers favor this type partly because the crushed stem of cut flowers would have more surface area to take up water. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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