I understand that the 'base' of a Phoenix Graft is 'typically' buttonwood juniper. Is this material selected based on the ability of the material to absorb Lime Sulpher? In other words are these materials 'softer' than those of other materials and therefor
e the Lime Sulphur is absorbed inot the wood versus merely painted on as a wash?

Randi Sharp

Richmond, VA


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Randi,

Buttonwood and juniper are two very different species. Both have been used
for phoenix grafts. Generally the keys for selecting a base stock for a
phoenix graft are an interesting structure and fairly hard wood that will
last a long time. Both buttonwood and juniper meet these criteria. Maples,
pines, and other trees with softer wood are not often used because the wood
decays fairly quickly under most conditions of bonsai culture - very
aggressive preservation will make them last longer. I am sure folks with
experience doing phoenix grafts with buttonwood or species other than
juniper will have more to add.

Marty

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I understand that the 'base' of a Phoenix Graft is 'typically' buttonwood
juniper. Is this material selected based on the ability of the material to
absorb Lime Sulpher? In other words are these materials 'softer' than those
of other materials and therefore the Lime Sulphur is absorbed inot the wood
versus merely painted on as a wash?

Randi Sharp

Richmond, VA


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Marty, The reason I was asking is that I have a great Chinese Elm carcass and after I applied the lime sulphur, for ht emost part, it seemed to partially wash off after its first rain. I had planned to teat it withthe lime sulphur several times, but it see
ms that it's very difficult for the sulphur to be absorbed into the wood. The grain is very tight and thet may be the problem. Just wondering if buttonwood & juniper wood was more 'open' than the Elm.

MartyWeiser wrote:Generally the keys for selecting a base stock for a
phoenix graft are an interesting structure and fairly hard wood that will last a long time.

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In a message dated 4/27/2003 10:09:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

I understand that the 'base' of a Phoenix Graft is 'typically' buttonwood
juniper

I am not sure what a "buttonwood Juniper" is. I know what a Florida
Buttonwood is and there are many species of Juniper I think the base of a
Phoenix Graft must a hard, rot resistant wood. If a softer wood were used it
would rot away leaving the graft to stand on its own, although I know of one
planting being done with just that in mind.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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In a message dated 4/27/2003 5:33:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

The reason I was asking is that I have a great Chinese Elm carcass and after
I applied the lime sulfur,

Lime-Sulpher is applied to bare wood, without the bark.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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Opps...typo..it should have said buttonwood OR juniper...

wrote:In a message dated 4/27/2003 10:09:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes:

I understand that the 'base' of a Phoenix Graft is 'typically' buttonwood juniper

I am not sure what a "buttonwood Juniper" is. I know what a Florida Buttonwood is and there are many species of Juniper I think the base of a Phoenix Graft must a hard, rot resistant wood. If a softer wood were used it would rot away leaving the graft
to stand on its own, although I know of one planting being done with just that in mind.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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Billy, I has removed all bark and painted on the lime sulphur..now I'm wondering if the lime sulphur was 'old'... does it settle out and become weaker with age if unused? Randi
The reason I was asking is that I have a great Chinese Elm carcass and after I applied the lime sulfur,

Lime-Sulpher is applied to bare wood, without the bark.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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