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19-08-2005, 08:16 PM
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[IBC] Prunus Mume
Somebody suggested Prunus mume as a substitute for Prunus spinosa (sloe) for
bonsai. I would veto that for much of the US. I found that P. mume does very poorly in hot dry summer weather. The leaves turn to schmatehs (rags). I don't know yet about other climatic hurdles, but my new 'Hally Jolivette' withstood this summer's barbaric dry heat admirably. It grew steadily, and only had perhaps a handful of yellow leaves. Of course it is not wild looking, since it has singly borne, semi-double flowers, but as Jim pointed out, there are many wild native American cherries. Iris ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#3
19-08-2005, 10:14 PM
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I have two prunus mume...they tolerate the hot South Carolina summers pretty
well, just giving them a bit of mid day shade. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#4
20-08-2005, 03:21 AM
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The foliage can be managed during hot weather by both shading the tree and
pinching away damaged leaves. Not around here. You are closer to the coast, where the humidity is higher. In central NY, although we don't have quite as much heat, summer weather can be extremely dry & windy. We are on the edge of the Continental climate. The apricot did not have any undamaged leaves. By midsummer, the tree was a mess. Besides, it never bloomed (it was seed-grown) and was subject to borers. I sold it at the club auction & haven't seen it since. I haven't seen any Prunus mume in the Rochester or Mid-Atlantic shows. Somebody in Rochester has a gorgeous Hally Jolivette, & you occasionally see other flowering cherries, so we are not deprived. Iris ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#5
20-08-2005, 01:22 PM
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In a message dated 8/19/2005 9:21:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, IrisCohen writes: The foliage can be managed during hot weather by both shading the tree and pinching away damaged leaves. Not around here. You are closer to the coast, where the humidity is higher. In central NY, although we don't have quite as much heat, summer weather can be extremely dry & windy. We are on the edge of the Continental climate. The apricot did not have any undamaged leaves. By midsummer, the tree was a mess. Besides, it never bloomed (it was seed-grown) and was subject to borers. I sold it at the club auction & haven't seen it since. I haven't seen any Prunus mume in the Rochester or Mid-Atlantic shows. Somebody in Rochester has a gorgeous Hally Jolivette, & you occasionally see other flowering cherries, so we are not deprived. Iris Iris: No matter where the tree is grown, Prunue mume will be a challenge for the most experienced of practitioners. The conspicuous absence of Prunus mume is easily explained: they cannot be legal imported into the US, and they were quite costly when entry was legal (many years ago). For those who work with Prunus mume, a sustained feeding program will help the tree to tolerate summer heat and Sahara-like winds. Shade and wind shielding during these periods will mitigate leaf damage; however, the tree can be completely defoliated in mid-to-late spring. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#6
20-08-2005, 05:29 PM
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When I suggested Prunus mume, I was going on my experience, which admittedly
only takes in Japan and the UK. I have also read this though: "Although a rare tree in the trade, Prunus mume is by no means impossible to find. Several good cultivars are available. W.B. Clarke, an American hybridizer, named three of the most readily available to American gardeners. 'Peggy Clarke' is a double-flowering cultivar with rose-pink petals crowned with a bright red calyx. 'Rosemary Clarke', a particularly early double-flowered bloomer, is white with a red calyx, and 'W.B. Clarke' is a graceful weeping form with double pink flowers. Particularly unusual and hard-to-find is the contorted form, Prunus mume 'Contorta'. Although there are many Japanese varieties in cultivation, in this country 'Kobai', with deep red semi-double flowers, is probably the least difficult to find. The species itself, with single flowers and a color range from white to pink, is the most readily available in American nurseries." In a very good article I found on the web from Plants & Gardens News Volume 10, Number 4 | Winter 1995 by T. Meghan Ray You can see the whole article here if you are interested. http://www.bbg.org/gar2/topics/plant...midwinter.html I thought that if it is a recommended garden plant in the USA it should be doable as bonsai, given the right treatment. It is certainly worth the effort, in my estimation. I'll try to post some pics of flowering ones from Japan last February on the gallery later. Cheers Kev Bailey __________________________________________________ _______________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#7
20-08-2005, 07:39 PM
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Michael Persiano wrote:
Not around here. You are closer to the coast, where the humidity is higher. In central NY, although we don't have quite as much heat, summer weather can be extremely dry & windy. We are on the edge of the Continental climate. The apricot did not have any undamaged leaves. By midsummer, the tree was a mess. Besides, it never bloomed (it was seed-grown) and was subject to borers. I sold it at the club auction & haven't seen it since. I haven't seen any Prunus mume in the Rochester or Mid-Atlantic shows. Somebody in Rochester has a gorgeous Hally Jolivette, & you occasionally see other flowering cherries, so we are not deprived. Iris I agree with Michael I have mine since 15 years about and is fine and bloom every year in between Xristmas to St Valentine It needs a lot of vaporization on blossoms when growing in december & not be taken inside otherwise will wither Mine has been severy damaged this last july after defoliation ,when new leaves formed a and hail detroyed the plum to 2/3 some little twig survived probably will have no blossoms this winther I live in zone 7 greetings Tiziano |
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21-08-2005, 04:33 PM
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In a message dated 8/21/05 12:03:16 AM, Michael writes:
The conspicuous absence of Prunus mume is easily explained: they cannot be legal imported into the US, However, they are now grown here. Greer Gardens & Evergreen Gardenworks sell them all the time. It's the challenge part that accounts for its absence. When I started with bonsai, I wanted to grow an almond tree, because of its significance for Jewish Arbor Day. However, I found that the species is prone to crown gall, so fuhgeddaboutit. Hally Jolivette, although not troublefree, is a much more amenable substitute, & blooms at the right time of year. Whatever floats your boat. Those of us with limited time, energy, & resources are going to stick with the easier & cheaper species. If we want to bang our heads against the wall of futility, we buy another serissa. Iris ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#9
21-08-2005, 07:27 PM
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When nurseries still had going out of business sales I picked up a 15 gal prunus mume "bonsai" double flowering. Yes, it has its problems, but there is nothing like it as the first flowers of spring.
Kits wrote: In a message dated 8/21/05 12:03:16 AM, Michael writes: The conspicuous absence of Prunus mume is easily explained: they cannot be legal imported into the US, However, they are now grown here. Greer Gardens & Evergreen Gardenworks sell them all the time. It's the challenge part that accounts for its absence. When I started with bonsai, I wanted to grow an almond tree, because of its significance for Jewish Arbor Day. However, I found that the species is prone to crown gall, so fuhgeddaboutit. Hally Jolivette, although not troublefree, is a much more amenable substitute, & blooms at the right time of year. Whatever floats your boat. Those of us with limited time, energy, & resources are going to stick with the easier & cheaper species. If we want to bang our heads against the wall of futility, we buy another serissa. Iris ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ **** "Expectations are resentments under construction." Anne Lamott ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#10
21-08-2005, 10:03 PM
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On Aug 21, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Kitsune Miko wrote:
When nurseries still had going out of business sales I picked up a 15 gal prunus mume "bonsai" double flowering. Yes, it has its problems, but there is nothing like it as the first flowers of spring. Kits I have one that I bought last year at Nature's Way in Harrisburg PA. It survived the coldest winter they've had here in some time. (one night was -18F) It was well-insulated in a bed of leaves right next to the foundation of the house. It's doing pretty well this summer despite the dryness. Only thing is it took forever to leave out, and it didn't flower. I thought for awhile that it was dead, but it's doing great now. I don't have it in full sun all day, just partial shade. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#11
22-08-2005, 08:45 AM
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Kitsune Miko wrote:
When nurseries still had going out of business sales I picked up a 15 gal prunus mume "bonsai" double flowering. Yes, it has its problems, but there is nothing like it as the first flowers of spring. Kits Hi I never had problems whatsoever with prunus mume , my is simple flower and reddish pink quite perfumed just need a fresh calcar soil hates acidic and a deep pot very seldom I had some red spider and nothing else at all beside of its flowering period it is a very common tree THEO POST TENEBRAS LUX Think like an Alien might think http://groups.google.it/group/free.it.arte.bonsai http://www.easybonsai.altervista.org/ |
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