On 11/10/2015 10:03, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:21:06 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:23:20 +0100, Broadback
wrote:

On 10/10/2015 16:11, Phil L wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:06:09 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:44:12 +0100, Broadback

wrote:

This year our house has been inundated with large spiders. Thank
goodness neither myself of my wife a frightened by them. Almost every
morning there are one, and sometimes 2, in the bath. Where are they all
coming from? It is not the same one as they are flushed away each
morning.

They climb back up the waste pipe.

So how do they get past the trap?


They don't go past the trap when they are flushed, so once the tap is turned
off, they simply climb out of the waste and wait in the bath for 24 hours
for it to happen again, this is because they can't get out of the bath due
to the sides being too smooth.

If the OP wishes to get rid of them, simply scoop up on a piece of paper and
lob em out of the bathroom window, it only needs to be done once instead of
bathing them every day.


But every one has been destroyed, yet they still keep coming. I assume
they come down from above and cannot get back. They certainly can't get
in through the waste pipe, as spiders cannot swim!!

but they can walk on water.

Worshipful, then!


As are all spiders :~))) !!

--
Spider
On high ground in SE London
Gardening on heavy clay

On 11/10/2015 10:52, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:03:17 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:21:06 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:23:20 +0100, Broadback
wrote:

On 10/10/2015 16:11, Phil L wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:06:09 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:44:12 +0100, Broadback

wrote:

This year our house has been inundated with large spiders. Thank
goodness neither myself of my wife a frightened by them. Almost every
morning there are one, and sometimes 2, in the bath. Where are they all
coming from? It is not the same one as they are flushed away each
morning.

They climb back up the waste pipe.

So how do they get past the trap?


They don't go past the trap when they are flushed, so once the tap is turned
off, they simply climb out of the waste and wait in the bath for 24 hours
for it to happen again, this is because they can't get out of the bath due
to the sides being too smooth.

If the OP wishes to get rid of them, simply scoop up on a piece of paper and
lob em out of the bathroom window, it only needs to be done once instead of
bathing them every day.


But every one has been destroyed, yet they still keep coming. I assume
they come down from above and cannot get back. They certainly can't get
in through the waste pipe, as spiders cannot swim!!

but they can walk on water.

Worshipful, then!

but useless at converting bilge water into wine.

Spider bodies contain high levels of copper. They crap this onto boats and
particularly onto sails leaving black stains that nothing will remove.


Yes, their blood uses copper in the way that ours uses iron. Their blood
is tinged light blue.
When they first crap, the deposit is chalky white and changes through
brown to black. Perhaps if you could deal with the deposit whilst it is
still white, you may not suffer the staining. Just a thought.
--
Spider
On high ground in SE London
Gardening on heavy clay

On 10/10/2015 19:09, Christina Websell wrote:
"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
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"Phil L" wrote in message
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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:06:09 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:44:12 +0100, Broadback

wrote:

This year our house has been inundated with large spiders. Thank
goodness neither myself of my wife a frightened by them. Almost every
morning there are one, and sometimes 2, in the bath. Where are they all
coming from? It is not the same one as they are flushed away each
morning.

They climb back up the waste pipe.

So how do they get past the trap?


They don't go past the trap when they are flushed, so once the tap is
turned off, they simply climb out of the waste and wait in the bath for
24 hours for it to happen again, this is because they can't get out of
the bath due to the sides being too smooth.

If the OP wishes to get rid of them, simply scoop up on a piece of paper
and lob em out of the bathroom window, it only needs to be done once
instead of bathing them every day.

The horrid scary ones that I've flushed down the plug hole never appear in
the bath again.
Ugggg!

So what do you think has happened to them? Have you killed them because
they look scary?
I have struggled with fear of spiders all my life but it's not their fault,
it's mine.
Try the fluffy towel approach. They don't deserve to die because I have an
unreasonable fear of them.
And it is unreasonable. I know that they cannot harm me but it makes no
difference about their scariness. The bigger they are, the worst the fear
gets.
But it's not their fault, so I try not to harm them.



Thank you, Tina, a very sensible and humane approach.--
Spider
On high ground in SE London
Gardening on heavy clay

On 12/10/2015 21:23, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 18:10:28 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:


I absolutely could not pick a big spider up with my bare hand although
picking up moths and beetles to put them outside is not a problem.

A good few years ago, we had a cat who loved to eat them.

Ours used to do that, his favourite shock tactic was to eat one right
against the window on the outside of the glass Then sit there on the
window sill while the spiders legs still thrashed on the outside of
his lips while he "sucked it " ,let it run out and repeat .

Usaully when we were sat inches away on the inside of the window
having a meal. The *** knew exactly what he was doing.

G.Harman



I have a cat with attitude as well;~). Not seen her eat spiders yet,
though.
--
Spider
On high ground in SE London
Gardening on heavy clay

On 15/10/2015 17:23, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 16:00:43 +0100, Spider wrote:

On 11/10/2015 10:52, Martin wrote:

Spider bodies contain high levels of copper. They crap this onto boats and
particularly onto sails leaving black stains that nothing will remove.


Yes, their blood uses copper in the way that ours uses iron. Their blood
is tinged light blue.

I'm sure republicans will be delighted to know that our nobility and
royalty are related to arthropods and molluscs! They'll probably tell
you they knew it all along. :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemocyanin



They probably keep a stock of metaldehyde just in case HM pops in for
tea. Personally, I've got a lot of time for the Queen, but she hasn't
popped in yet. Perhaps I should grow cucumbers.

--
Spider
On high ground in SE London
Gardening on heavy clay

"Spider" wrote in message
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On 11/10/2015 09:21, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:23:20 +0100, Broadback

wrote:

On 10/10/2015 16:11, Phil L wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:06:09 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:44:12 +0100, Broadback

wrote:

This year our house has been inundated with large spiders. Thank
goodness neither myself of my wife a frightened by them. Almost
every
morning there are one, and sometimes 2, in the bath. Where are they
all
coming from? It is not the same one as they are flushed away each
morning.

They climb back up the waste pipe.

So how do they get past the trap?


They don't go past the trap when they are flushed, so once the tap is
turned
off, they simply climb out of the waste and wait in the bath for 24
hours
for it to happen again, this is because they can't get out of the bath
due
to the sides being too smooth.

If the OP wishes to get rid of them, simply scoop up on a piece of
paper and
lob em out of the bathroom window, it only needs to be done once
instead of
bathing them every day.


But every one has been destroyed, yet they still keep coming. I assume
they come down from above and cannot get back. They certainly can't get
in through the waste pipe, as spiders cannot swim!!

but they can walk on water.


Especially Dolomedes fimbriatus, the so-called Raft Spider. It's the
largest spider in Britain and catches aquatic insects, small frogs and
small fish.

ARRRRRGGGGGG!!!!

"Pendragon" wrote in message
...

But every one has been destroyed, yet they still keep coming. I assume
they come down from above and cannot get back. They certainly can't get
in through the waste pipe, as spiders cannot swim!!

Karma will get your nasty arse in the end. Good job too.

Apparently they come indoors looking for a mate I read in the paper
yesterday.

Yes. I once saw two spiders in my bath and left them overnight. I saw
them mating (they do it behind the head) and by the morning the female had
sucked the life out of the male.

We use a spider vacuum with great success no matter what size of
critter and the kids love catching them too. Then just put them
outside and wait for them to come in through the waste pipe again lol
Thank goodness the bath seems to trap the biggest critters. You can
almost see on their faces the indignity of it all as they are placed
outside again after so much effort.

after the bath experience I use the fluffy towel technique to remove all
spiders in the bath and don't leave them overnight.

In article ,
says...

"Pendragon" wrote in message
...

But every one has been destroyed, yet they still keep coming. I assume
they come down from above and cannot get back. They certainly can't get
in through the waste pipe, as spiders cannot swim!!

Karma will get your nasty arse in the end. Good job too.

Apparently they come indoors looking for a mate I read in the paper
yesterday.

Yes. I once saw two spiders in my bath and left them overnight. I saw
them mating (they do it behind the head) and by the morning the female had
sucked the life out of the male.

We use a spider vacuum with great success no matter what size of
critter and the kids love catching them too. Then just put them
outside and wait for them to come in through the waste pipe again lol
Thank goodness the bath seems to trap the biggest critters. You can
almost see on their faces the indignity of it all as they are placed
outside again after so much effort.

after the bath experience I use the fluffy towel technique to remove all
spiders in the bath and don't leave them overnight.

At the hairdressers this morning, the hairdresser found a spider *on
my head*. This was after she had just shampooed me and the spider was
very much alive, so she reckons it arrived on the towel she had just
taken off my wet hair.

When we both recovered I suggested "There is a spider on your head"
should be on a list of "things we never say to the customer"; to which
she replied "I felt I had to explain why I just hit your head with a
towel".

:-)

Janet

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:49:51 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"stuart noble" wrote in message
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I have struggled with fear of spiders all my life but it's not their
fault,
it's mine.

I don't think it's anyone's fault. It's an instinctive thing that's hard
wired into our brains from way back.
I've trained myself to pick them up by closing my hand over them. They
freeze and play dead, which makes it a whole lot easier. Dustpan and
brush
works well too IME

I absolutely could not pick a big spider up with my bare hand although
picking up moths and beetles to put them outside is not a problem.
Haven't tried the dustpan and brush, probably won't in case it runs over
my
hand. I can't do the glass and cardboard method either. Because even
though
I know it's safely in the glass if it runs up it into my hand, I drop it.
My favourite and current method is the big fluffy towel, gather them up in
it and flap it outside.

A good few years ago, we had a cat who loved to eat them. If there was
a spider in the bath, SWMBO would put the cat in with it and within
moments the spider would be eaten.

--

Chris

My cat eats spiders (even huge ones) that appear in my house.
Even if he's asleep on my lap, he notices spiders and jumps off my lap and
gets them. Chomp.

On 22/10/2015 22:26, Christina Websell wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:49:51 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"stuart noble" wrote in message
...

I have struggled with fear of spiders all my life but it's not their
fault,
it's mine.

I don't think it's anyone's fault. It's an instinctive thing that's hard
wired into our brains from way back.
I've trained myself to pick them up by closing my hand over them. They
freeze and play dead, which makes it a whole lot easier. Dustpan and
brush
works well too IME

I absolutely could not pick a big spider up with my bare hand although
picking up moths and beetles to put them outside is not a problem.
Haven't tried the dustpan and brush, probably won't in case it runs over
my
hand. I can't do the glass and cardboard method either. Because even
though
I know it's safely in the glass if it runs up it into my hand, I drop it.
My favourite and current method is the big fluffy towel, gather them up in
it and flap it outside.

A good few years ago, we had a cat who loved to eat them. If there was
a spider in the bath, SWMBO would put the cat in with it and within
moments the spider would be eaten.

--

Chris

My cat eats spiders (even huge ones) that appear in my house.
Even if he's asleep on my lap, he notices spiders and jumps off my lap and
gets them. Chomp.




I think my Panther would be more impressed if juicy prawns were
scuttling across the carpet! She's more of a monster mouser.

--
Spider
On high ground in SE London
Gardening on heavy clay

"Spider" wrote in message
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On 22/10/2015 22:26, Christina Websell wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:49:51 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"stuart noble" wrote in message
...

I have struggled with fear of spiders all my life but it's not their
fault,
it's mine.

I don't think it's anyone's fault. It's an instinctive thing that's
hard
wired into our brains from way back.
I've trained myself to pick them up by closing my hand over them. They
freeze and play dead, which makes it a whole lot easier. Dustpan and
brush
works well too IME

I absolutely could not pick a big spider up with my bare hand although
picking up moths and beetles to put them outside is not a problem.
Haven't tried the dustpan and brush, probably won't in case it runs
over
my
hand. I can't do the glass and cardboard method either. Because even
though
I know it's safely in the glass if it runs up it into my hand, I drop
it.
My favourite and current method is the big fluffy towel, gather them up
in
it and flap it outside.

A good few years ago, we had a cat who loved to eat them. If there was
a spider in the bath, SWMBO would put the cat in with it and within
moments the spider would be eaten.

--

Chris

My cat eats spiders (even huge ones) that appear in my house.
Even if he's asleep on my lap, he notices spiders and jumps off my lap
and
gets them. Chomp.




I think my Panther would be more impressed if juicy prawns were scuttling
across the carpet! She's more of a monster mouser.

My cat is a good mouser, and he's not bad with small rats either. He
studiously ignores big rats with the huge chisel brown teeth.
He eats the spiders that I don't notice. I do try to put them all outside
but if he sees one before I do, unfortunately it's the end of them. Some
of the big house spiders are very wiry but he manages.
I know they are wiry because I once took a blockage out of my kitchen sink
plughole. It was a massive spider that I'd accidently drowned. I nearly
died when I saw what I had in my hand.
I do realise that my fear is stupid but no matter how much I say to myself
"they cannot hurt me" it doesn't work.
Something in me says NO to big spiders.

Tina

On 26/10/2015 17:56, Christina Websell wrote:
"Spider" wrote in message
...
On 22/10/2015 22:26, Christina Websell wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:49:51 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"stuart noble" wrote in message
...

I have struggled with fear of spiders all my life but it's not their
fault,
it's mine.

I don't think it's anyone's fault. It's an instinctive thing that's
hard
wired into our brains from way back.
I've trained myself to pick them up by closing my hand over them. They
freeze and play dead, which makes it a whole lot easier. Dustpan and
brush
works well too IME

I absolutely could not pick a big spider up with my bare hand although
picking up moths and beetles to put them outside is not a problem.
Haven't tried the dustpan and brush, probably won't in case it runs
over
my
hand. I can't do the glass and cardboard method either. Because even
though
I know it's safely in the glass if it runs up it into my hand, I drop
it.
My favourite and current method is the big fluffy towel, gather them up
in
it and flap it outside.

A good few years ago, we had a cat who loved to eat them. If there was
a spider in the bath, SWMBO would put the cat in with it and within
moments the spider would be eaten.

--

Chris

My cat eats spiders (even huge ones) that appear in my house.
Even if he's asleep on my lap, he notices spiders and jumps off my lap
and
gets them. Chomp.




I think my Panther would be more impressed if juicy prawns were scuttling
across the carpet! She's more of a monster mouser.

My cat is a good mouser, and he's not bad with small rats either. He
studiously ignores big rats with the huge chisel brown teeth.
He eats the spiders that I don't notice. I do try to put them all outside
but if he sees one before I do, unfortunately it's the end of them. Some
of the big house spiders are very wiry but he manages.
I know they are wiry because I once took a blockage out of my kitchen sink
plughole. It was a massive spider that I'd accidently drowned. I nearly
died when I saw what I had in my hand.
I do realise that my fear is stupid but no matter how much I say to myself
"they cannot hurt me" it doesn't work.
Something in me says NO to big spiders.

Tina



Well, there's nothing in the world that says you have to love or handle
spiders, large or small. It's not at all stupid, but it is - in this
country at any rate - an irrational fear. Elsewhere it's probably good
policy to avoid them. You imply, or seem to, that you have little or no
trouble with small/er spiders. Have you considered handling a small
spider to learn how you react and, maybe, working your way up to
medium-size? In very broad terms, that's how a desensitisation
programme works. Just how do you cope with smaller spiders? Are these
the ones that travel from bath to garden in your fluffy towel, or can
you bear to touch them?

--
Spider
On high ground in SE London
Gardening on heavy clay

"Spider" wrote in message
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On 26/10/2015 17:56, Christina Websell wrote:
"Spider" wrote in message
...
On 22/10/2015 22:26, Christina Websell wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:49:51 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"stuart noble" wrote in message
...

I have struggled with fear of spiders all my life but it's not
their
fault,
it's mine.

I don't think it's anyone's fault. It's an instinctive thing that's
hard
wired into our brains from way back.
I've trained myself to pick them up by closing my hand over them.
They
freeze and play dead, which makes it a whole lot easier. Dustpan and
brush
works well too IME

I absolutely could not pick a big spider up with my bare hand
although
picking up moths and beetles to put them outside is not a problem.
Haven't tried the dustpan and brush, probably won't in case it runs
over
my
hand. I can't do the glass and cardboard method either. Because even
though
I know it's safely in the glass if it runs up it into my hand, I drop
it.
My favourite and current method is the big fluffy towel, gather them
up
in
it and flap it outside.

A good few years ago, we had a cat who loved to eat them. If there was
a spider in the bath, SWMBO would put the cat in with it and within
moments the spider would be eaten.

--

Chris

My cat eats spiders (even huge ones) that appear in my house.
Even if he's asleep on my lap, he notices spiders and jumps off my lap
and
gets them. Chomp.




I think my Panther would be more impressed if juicy prawns were
scuttling
across the carpet! She's more of a monster mouser.

My cat is a good mouser, and he's not bad with small rats either. He
studiously ignores big rats with the huge chisel brown teeth.
He eats the spiders that I don't notice. I do try to put them all
outside
but if he sees one before I do, unfortunately it's the end of them.
Some
of the big house spiders are very wiry but he manages.
I know they are wiry because I once took a blockage out of my kitchen
sink
plughole. It was a massive spider that I'd accidently drowned. I nearly
died when I saw what I had in my hand.
I do realise that my fear is stupid but no matter how much I say to
myself
"they cannot hurt me" it doesn't work.
Something in me says NO to big spiders.

Tina



Well, there's nothing in the world that says you have to love or handle
spiders, large or small. It's not at all stupid, but it is - in this
country at any rate - an irrational fear. Elsewhere it's probably good
policy to avoid them. You imply, or seem to, that you have little or no
trouble with small/er spiders. Have you considered handling a small
spider to learn how you react and, maybe, working your way up to
medium-size? In very broad terms, that's how a desensitisation programme
works. Just how do you cope with smaller spiders? Are these the ones that
travel from bath to garden in your fluffy towel, or can you bear to touch
them?

No. I would die if I touched one, it's taken years for me to pick up the
big ones in the fluffy towel. Anything bigger than a money spider I can't
do. I know it's irrational. I'm good with picking up anything else.
woodlice, beetles, anything. but just not spiders. I know they won't harm
me but they fill me with horror. I don't know why. I tried to study them a
bit to see if would help. It didn't.
So I am happy be able to gather them up in a fluffy towel and put them
outside. That took years and that's as far as I can ever go with spiders.

Tina



..

"Janet" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 18:33:11 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Broadback" wrote in message
...
This year our house has been inundated with large spiders. Thank
goodness
neither myself of my wife a frightened by them. Almost every morning
there
are one, and sometimes 2, in the bath. Where are they all coming from?
It
is not the same one as they are flushed away each morning.

It's spider breeding season. The boys are on the march after the girls.
Please do not flush them down the plughole, they will die if you do.
Get
them in a towel and put them outside. I was once very afraid of spiders
but
I've progressed to "scoop up in fluffy towel and flap outside"
I can't do the glass/cardboard thing. The minute the spider runs up the
glass, I drop it.

Tina

I prefer the glass and card trick. with a towel, tissue etc I cannot
see where the spider is, with the glass I can.

+1

With the towel method there's always the chance it will run back up
the towel, over your hand, up your arm and into your hair

quick, nurse; the smelling salts

Janet

Not if you flap the towel outside. I can't do the glass thing because it
runs up the glass and then I drop it because I can see it. Fluffy towel
doesn't hurt them and works for me.

On 27/10/2015 00:57, Christina Websell wrote:
"Spider" wrote in message
...
On 26/10/2015 17:56, Christina Websell wrote:
"Spider" wrote in message
...
On 22/10/2015 22:26, Christina Websell wrote:
"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:49:51 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"stuart noble" wrote in message
...

I have struggled with fear of spiders all my life but it's not
their
fault,
it's mine.

I don't think it's anyone's fault. It's an instinctive thing that's
hard
wired into our brains from way back.
I've trained myself to pick them up by closing my hand over them.
They
freeze and play dead, which makes it a whole lot easier. Dustpan and
brush
works well too IME

I absolutely could not pick a big spider up with my bare hand
although
picking up moths and beetles to put them outside is not a problem.
Haven't tried the dustpan and brush, probably won't in case it runs
over
my
hand. I can't do the glass and cardboard method either. Because even
though
I know it's safely in the glass if it runs up it into my hand, I drop
it.
My favourite and current method is the big fluffy towel, gather them
up
in
it and flap it outside.

A good few years ago, we had a cat who loved to eat them. If there was
a spider in the bath, SWMBO would put the cat in with it and within
moments the spider would be eaten.

--

Chris

My cat eats spiders (even huge ones) that appear in my house.
Even if he's asleep on my lap, he notices spiders and jumps off my lap
and
gets them. Chomp.




I think my Panther would be more impressed if juicy prawns were
scuttling
across the carpet! She's more of a monster mouser.

My cat is a good mouser, and he's not bad with small rats either. He
studiously ignores big rats with the huge chisel brown teeth.
He eats the spiders that I don't notice. I do try to put them all
outside
but if he sees one before I do, unfortunately it's the end of them.
Some
of the big house spiders are very wiry but he manages.
I know they are wiry because I once took a blockage out of my kitchen
sink
plughole. It was a massive spider that I'd accidently drowned. I nearly
died when I saw what I had in my hand.
I do realise that my fear is stupid but no matter how much I say to
myself
"they cannot hurt me" it doesn't work.
Something in me says NO to big spiders.

Tina



Well, there's nothing in the world that says you have to love or handle
spiders, large or small. It's not at all stupid, but it is - in this
country at any rate - an irrational fear. Elsewhere it's probably good
policy to avoid them. You imply, or seem to, that you have little or no
trouble with small/er spiders. Have you considered handling a small
spider to learn how you react and, maybe, working your way up to
medium-size? In very broad terms, that's how a desensitisation programme
works. Just how do you cope with smaller spiders? Are these the ones that
travel from bath to garden in your fluffy towel, or can you bear to touch
them?

No. I would die if I touched one, it's taken years for me to pick up the
big ones in the fluffy towel. Anything bigger than a money spider I can't
do. I know it's irrational. I'm good with picking up anything else.
woodlice, beetles, anything. but just not spiders. I know they won't harm
me but they fill me with horror. I don't know why. I tried to study them a
bit to see if would help. It didn't.
So I am happy be able to gather them up in a fluffy towel and put them
outside. That took years and that's as far as I can ever go with spiders.

Tina




Well, that's already an improvement and at least you don't kill them if
you can help it. I'm afraid death was the only thing that satisfied
when I was at the height of my arachnophobia:~((. I often felt sick
with guilt afterwards because I love all creatures, but the terror and
panic was too great then to even consider another approach.

It was good of you to try studying them, but I know from my own
experience that education doesn't work when the fear is that severe. The
terror and, indeed, the disgust that prevails with such a phobia is a
very real barrier. It was only once I was cured that I started studying
spiders and keeping tarantulas. I don't keep the latter now and only
occasionally really study spiders, but I spend a lot of time in the
garden looking at them closely, photographing them and trying to
identify them. Sometimes I think I should do more gardening instead ...
just to remain within topic ;~).

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Spider
On high ground in SE London
Gardening on heavy clay