In article ,
says...



"Des Higgins" wrote in message
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On Nov 30, 4:44 pm, Charlie Pridham
wrote:
In article ,
says...

Charlie Pridham wrote:

Let me know when you're ready to undergo the dowsing test. I'll
split
the winnings with you - $999,999 to you and $1 to me. Sounds fair ?

In the hard world of small businesses its hard to see why water bore
hole
companies would keep dowsers on their books if there was nothing in
it,
and down here they all do, whether it also works with all the other
things claimed for it I do not know, but if you want to try a method
to
prove it, 2 plastic Biro tubes, each with a bit of metal coat hanger
in
that has been bent to 90 degrees, hold one in each hand tuck you
elbows
in tight and walk slowly, we did this in physics at school and out of
30
of us only one did not get a reaction to the water in one of 10
sealed
containers, its difficult to see how you could make the wires spin
yourself. thats good enough for me. Whoever is offering the money is
quite safe because neither I nor my then physics teacher could
explain
why it happens.

Excellent! There's no need to explain why it happens. You just
need to successfully pass a very simple test; no need for any
simple or complicated explanations.

So, Charlie, tell me when you're ready for the test. Since my
fees are going up with each new applicant, I'll split the winnings
with you - $999,998 to you and $2 to me. Unless Sacha beats you
to the cool million ... quick, time's running out.

So you can explain gravity?
Not everthing in science can be explained, I do not need to do it again,
I am satisfied it works, I was suggestion YOU have a go, if nothing
happens you can carry on being sceptical until then I win.
So using the same logic a dowser finds water because they know its there
- works for me :~)
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
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In article , Sacha
writes

A member of our family has just completed the
post-graduate Tisserand course and is going on to do further training.
It's
a meticulously careful training and it benefits a great number of people.
But it's not compulsory, so I never do understand why people get in such a
state about it!


On a slightly different tack but using lavender oil as a link to
gardening. I was very disappointed to see that Tisserands pure oil for the
bath STILL has Sodium lauryl/laurel sulphate in it's ingredients. That's
the one thing, sometimes called SLS that irritates my skin making it feel
like sunburn (it's an ingredient for cleaning garage floors of oil)
Shame as I love lavender oil, so I use dried lavender instead but the bits
floating around the bath aren't actually calming
--
The Bay Tree Company make a lemon and lavender marmalade that I adore and
buy when I visit Blighty.
http://www.thebaytree.co.uk/list_cat...OLL%2F3&from=0
They use L seeds and a culinary lavender oil in the recipe. I've tried to
find the oil but all I can find is the non-food variety.
Graham

On Nov 30, 5:57 pm, "R.A.Omond" wrote:
Des Higgins wrote:
I do not disbelieve in dowsing because I cannot explain it;
I do not believe it because I do not believe the claims that are made;
People employ dowsers for the same reason that "indians" did rain
dances.

In steps Des Higgins; anyone would think he's a scientist ;-)

Hi Des :-)

Howya Roy;
I guess part of the answer comes from looking at the right hand panel
of the page I am using to read this news. I have pasted them below.
I am not making this up. Google have some smart feckers with their
directed advertising algorithms. I read me news using google groups.

Des



These are there as sponsored links:

Envirodrilling UK Limited
National installation of water well
and water filtration equipment.
www.envirodrillinguk.com

Buy Great Dowsing Tools
Dowsing Pendulums, Rods, Courses
Great Prices and Quality
www.intuitivedowsing.com

Looking for a Well
Find it all on completehome.ie
For all your home requirements
www.completehome.ie

See your message here...


And then there are some "Related Pages "


Christmas Tour of Homes starts Sunday
Port Clinton News Herald - 21 hours ago
The Old House Guild of Sandusky will be holding its 28th annual ...

Glossary of Terms in Parapsychology
www.mdani.demon.co.uk

Solar Power - Creativity - Hydrogen Energy
Accelerated Reader - Wind Power - Creativity - Solar Energy. We ...
www.mind-course.com

In article , Martin
writes

My memories of Bavaria are quite merry.


Well at least you can remember them
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

In article , R.A.Omond
writes
Des Higgins wrote:

I do not disbelieve in dowsing because I cannot explain it;
I do not believe it because I do not believe the claims that are made;
People employ dowsers for the same reason that "indians" did rain
dances.

In steps Des Higgins; anyone would think he's a scientist ;-)

Hi Des :-)


Well there's a lot of things I don't believe in, cynic that I am, yet
others find really easy to put their faith in (sometimes literally!)
However what works for one doesn't mean I would deny it's effectiveness,
we are never quite clear on WHY things work sometimes.

Wasn't it Hume who said that the miracle of religion isn't that it's all
so wonderful but that people actually believe in it. (paraphrasing on
the fly here but you get the gist)

People have done wonderful things in the grip of some weird event, look
at people who lift cars to help trapped victims, or 'know' (instinct?)
there are people trapped.

I do know (getting back to the original topic on this site) that some
gardens and houses exude peace whilst others, no less lovely just don't
make me feel relaxed or comfortable or happy.
Children seem to have the knack of 'knowing things' but are probably
using instinct which adults have learnt to quell. Good gardeners do the
same in my experience, they instinctively know the right place to put a
plant even if they don't know it well. Same with growing things, some
people can nurse a plant back to life, yet I have one friend who follows
all the right steps but kills stuff faster than I can propagate them

oh dear, rambling again, sorry, trying to put off starting to print 1000
newsletters on the litho and even cleaning the oven is becoming more
attractive to stave off starting the job
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:15:18 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

On 30/11/07 18:06, in article ,
"R.A.Omond" wrote:

Charlie Pridham wrote:

So you can explain gravity?
Not everthing in science can be explained, I do not need to do it again,
I am satisfied it works, I was suggestion YOU have a go, if nothing
happens you can carry on being sceptical until then I win.

Here's the rub, Charlie and Sacha. I *have* experienced the ideomotor
effect with dowsing rods. But it wasn't water (or gold, or uranium)
that caused them to twitch. Getting the idea ?

Yes, you aren't a dowser.

So I'll repeat just in case you might have missed the offer earlier:

Excellent! There's no need to explain why it happens. You just
need to successfully pass a very simple test; no need for any
simple or complicated explanations.

So, Charlie, tell me when you're ready for the test. Since my
fees are going up with each new applicant, I'll split the winnings
with you - $999,998 to you and $2 to me. Unless Sacha beats you
to the cool million ... quick, time's running out.

Charlie, are you ready to take the test? I'm sure that you must
feel 100% confident that you'll pass the test. $999,998 to you
and $2 to me :-)

By the way, to help your planning for the test, you might like
to watch James Randi's tests of 100%-confident Australian dowsers
he

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...996034&q=randi

Hilarious :-))

Do you know, I would think all those dowsers paid to find water by well
drillers must have collectively saved the drillers and the owners far more
than a paltry million dollars. Doesn't he ever change his offer against the
pound?


I have always found quite shocking that up to 90% of French employers
use graphology in recruitment - as against 2% of British employers
(stats which I read somewhere, they stuck in my mind, the source
didn't, so apologies for the lack of proper citation). Graphology is
far from being accepted scientifically as truly indicative of a
person's psychology, but it does not appear to discourage large
numbers of multimillion making organisations from using it.

Cat(h)

On 1/12/07 21:39, in article ,
"Cat(h)" wrote:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:15:18 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

On 30/11/07 18:06, in article ,
"R.A.Omond" wrote:

Charlie Pridham wrote:

So you can explain gravity?
Not everthing in science can be explained, I do not need to do it again,
I am satisfied it works, I was suggestion YOU have a go, if nothing
happens you can carry on being sceptical until then I win.

Here's the rub, Charlie and Sacha. I *have* experienced the ideomotor
effect with dowsing rods. But it wasn't water (or gold, or uranium)
that caused them to twitch. Getting the idea ?

Yes, you aren't a dowser.

So I'll repeat just in case you might have missed the offer earlier:

Excellent! There's no need to explain why it happens. You just
need to successfully pass a very simple test; no need for any
simple or complicated explanations.

So, Charlie, tell me when you're ready for the test. Since my
fees are going up with each new applicant, I'll split the winnings
with you - $999,998 to you and $2 to me. Unless Sacha beats you
to the cool million ... quick, time's running out.

Charlie, are you ready to take the test? I'm sure that you must
feel 100% confident that you'll pass the test. $999,998 to you
and $2 to me :-)

By the way, to help your planning for the test, you might like
to watch James Randi's tests of 100%-confident Australian dowsers
he

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...996034&q=randi

Hilarious :-))

Do you know, I would think all those dowsers paid to find water by well
drillers must have collectively saved the drillers and the owners far more
than a paltry million dollars. Doesn't he ever change his offer against the
pound?


I have always found quite shocking that up to 90% of French employers
use graphology in recruitment - as against 2% of British employers
(stats which I read somewhere, they stuck in my mind, the source
didn't, so apologies for the lack of proper citation). Graphology is
far from being accepted scientifically as truly indicative of a
person's psychology, but it does not appear to discourage large
numbers of multimillion making organisations from using it.

Cat(h)

I know a graphologist but know nothing about that art/science myself. Her
analyses of several of us at one sitting were pretty accurate, though.
Strange but true. ;-)
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In message , Sacha
writes
I know a graphologist but know nothing about that art/science myself.
Her analyses of several of us at one sitting were pretty accurate,
though. Strange but true. ;-)

People also often find analyses by astrologers and clairvoyants and
assorted "psychics" pretty accurate.

One reason for this is cold-reading

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

Another reason is the making of statements that most people would agree
with, either because they're generally true, or because they're things
most people want to believe about themselves. One classic experiment is
to take (say) two dozen horoscopes, and for one dozen give the
horoscopes to the subjects, and for the other dozen to give them out
randomly among the subjects. The evaluation of the accuracy of the
horoscopes is not statistically significantly different in the two
cases.

A third reason (which doesn't apply, at least strongly, to an individual
analysis) is the human tendency to remember the hits, and forget the
misses.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On 2/12/07 10:50, in article lid, "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message , Sacha
writes
I know a graphologist but know nothing about that art/science myself.
Her analyses of several of us at one sitting were pretty accurate,
though. Strange but true. ;-)

People also often find analyses by astrologers and clairvoyants and
assorted "psychics" pretty accurate.

One reason for this is cold-reading

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

Another reason is the making of statements that most people would agree
with, either because they're generally true, or because they're things
most people want to believe about themselves. One classic experiment is
to take (say) two dozen horoscopes, and for one dozen give the
horoscopes to the subjects, and for the other dozen to give them out
randomly among the subjects. The evaluation of the accuracy of the
horoscopes is not statistically significantly different in the two
cases.

A third reason (which doesn't apply, at least strongly, to an individual
analysis) is the human tendency to remember the hits, and forget the
misses.

The graphology was interesting because it was at a party and she was going
from table to table so others who knew her 'victims' could bear out the
comments. Most were amazingly accurate and I'm not surprised that people
give themselves away - if one looks at it that way - by physical
manifestations. The same can be said of the way people hold themselves in
terms of posture, walk etc. I notice peoples' hands a lot - if they're
quiet hands or restless, nervous ones. When people are asked a question
that makes them uncomfortable, for example, they will often indulge in some
unrealised displacement activity involving a shift of position, a wave of a
hand and so forth.
As for astrology, I find that quite impossible to believe, at least in terms
of the daily paper stuff - I've never gone much further into it than that.
I read mine and forget it within ten seconds! And I think I only read it
because my darling grandmother always used to read it out to me, thus
inflicting me with a noxious habit! ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'